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RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - ironyak - 07-21-2019
TomK - I'm curious, what are these multiple sources?
There's been some mentions of it on social media (e.g. https://twitter.com/AFoodiesDigest/status/1152817578949013504) and I heard it from someone up there who would know). Ask around, shouldn't be hard to verify. Maybe Ruderman can help - he was there today.
https://www.facebook.com/russell.ruderman/posts/10215166311250871
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - TomK - 07-21-2019
ironyak - I asked because the police have been accommodated and fed at the same place the observatory staff use for their accommodations and food.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - Kaimana - 07-21-2019
quote:
Originally posted by TomK
ironyak - I asked because the police have been accommodated and fed at the same place the observatory staff use for their accommodations and food.
I've seen the DLNR guys eating food from the protectors when I was there. I don't know if that was just them trying to be friendly or maybe they just didn't want to go all the way back up the mountain though.
Super random but when I was deployed in Iraq, I made it a point to eat with the local nationals I had to supervise. I don't know why but breaking bread together really does break down barriers.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - TomK - 07-21-2019
I agree with you, Kaimana, that might well be the reason, although I'd be surprised if food isn't being sent down to them (they send food up to the summit for staff working there during the day). However, the cooks are clearly under great strain. When the protest first started, some of the mid-level staff were blocked from going up so there were only two cooks to provide meals for 130 people - around 400 meals a day. Getting supplies up there has also been a little tricky.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - glinda - 07-21-2019
From: https://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2019/07/21/council-rushes-tmt-moratorium-resolution-onto-agenda/
The Hawaii County Council is planning to take a vote on a resolution "strongly urging” Governor David Ige and Mayor Harry Kim to honor the request of Hilo’s State Senator Kaialii Kahele" calling for a moratorium on the construction of the Thirty Meter Telescope on Mauna A Wakea."
Resolution 233-19, introduced by councilwoman Maile David, does not appear on the July 24, 2019 agenda because it is being introduced too late.
"I hereby respectfully notify members of the Hawaii County Council that at the July 24, 2019 Council Meeting being convened at the West Hawaii Civic Center at 9:00 a.m., I would like to add to the agenda pursuant to Hawaii Revised Statutes § 92- 2(d), Resolution No. 233- 19," councilwoman David wrote.
The Hawaii County Council will first have to vote on whether the matter can be taken up at Wednesday's meeting. If agendized and then passed, the resolution would have no force of law. The measure can only encourage the top state and county executives to honor the moratorium request.
The full language of the resolution is at the link above..
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - ironyak - 07-21-2019
Having not asked them myself, I can't answer the exact motivations for those involved (although the multiple factors mentioned all are possible). Just sharing some observations.
TomK - Getting supplies up there has also been a little tricky.
Ah, dry wit. Perhaps a small rock hammer can be snuck in with the ham sandwiches along with a Rita Hayworth poster to maintain cover. Viola, redemption.
But in all seriousness, there is more than one way to get up the mountain it seems.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - TomK - 07-21-2019
"Perhaps a small rock hammer can be snuck in with the ham sandwiches along with a Rita Hayworth poster to maintain cover. Viola, redemption."
Nice - I will pass on the suggestion!
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - macuu222 - 07-22-2019
A shame this won't be continuing anytime soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwIFSk4nQJk#action=share
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - glinda - 07-22-2019
From Democracy Now...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV-Ty_OsTqQ
A historic indigenous resistance is unfolding on the Big Island of Hawaii, where thousands have descended on Mauna Kea, a sacred Native site, to defend it from the construction of a $1.4 billion telescope. Scientists say the Thirty Meter Telescope will help them peer into the deepest corners of space, but indigenous resisters say the construction was approved without their consent and will desecrate their sacred lands. Last week, police arrested 33 people—most of them Hawaiian elders—as they blocked a road to prevent work crews from reaching the site of the telescope being planned atop Mauna Kea. And on Sunday, demonstrators reported that more than 2,000 people had gathered at the access road to stop construction. We speak with Pua Case, an indigenous organizer and activist defending Hawaii's Mauna Kea.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-22-2019
but indigenous resisters say the construction was approved without their consent and will desecrate their sacred lands.
Additionally, indigenous resistors alleged they weren't counted in the most recent poll showing 72% Native Hawaiian support for the TMT because they might not have registered to vote, lack identification, a license, or a phone with which they could be contacted if someone wanted to ask them for their approval on the TMT's construction.
In 1819 the ancient Hawaiian religion and all aspects of the religion were outlawed in what can only be described as an act of self-determination by the leadership of the Hawaiian people, their ruling monarchs. Presumably, as this ban was all encompassing, the sacredness of Mauna Kea, had it been a part of the ancient religion, was no longer relevant.
In 1874 King Kalakaua came to power and restored some forms of the old practices such as hula. Although Hawaiians were among the most literate people in the world at the time, and had multiple newspapers in print with detailed accounts of current events, no one has yet cited an instance where the sacredness of Mauna Kea had been reinstated.