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RE: How real is the rascism ? - seventhreads - 01-07-2014
hawaiibound you seem to be a little uh...confused, perhaps. let me copy paste the very first thing that comes up when you type in person of color into google:
Person of color (plural: people of color; persons of color) is a term used primarily in the United States to describe any person who is not white.
this is not my opinion, it's simply what the term means.
RE: How real is the rascism ? - malolo - 01-07-2014
Person of color
People of African, Asian, Hispanic and/or Latino, Pacific Islander and Native American heritage. It may also be used to refer to mixed-race people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_color
RE: How real is the rascism ? - malolo - 01-07-2014
Hahahahaha!
Cross posted with you seventhresds.
Sorry 'bout that!
(Welcome by the way!)
RE: How real is the rascism ? - unknownjulie - 01-07-2014
Oh boy, I have to phrase this all carefully. My boys have been on a few soccer teams. The "meanest" team was the "non-local team". The nicest team was the "Hawaiian team". There are white people on all the teams. So, what I am trying to say, is that "local" does not mean "non-white". I prefer the locals because they love the Keiki and have stronger family values than the non-locals. Homeless people have given my kids sips of their sodas- which I know is horrifying to some, but the point is that they are trying to share. On the team, when my son was having trouble, the Hawaiian coach called me and spoke to me for a half hour. When my son had trouble on the non-local team- he was ostracized, by everyone except for a few local members. It is hard to explain. It doesnt seem to me to have anything to do with skin color. I honestly believe that the school staff here have saved my middle son's life several times over- by their continued kindness and patience. I really have no idea why the schools don't have better reputations here. They are full of caring people!
RE: How real is the rascism ? - TazmanianRhonda - 01-07-2014
I find it frustrating that these extreme labels get tossed out to describe everyday, normal interaction in societies. People are less trusting of others they do not know, by nature. That's anywhere you go. We happen to be in Hawai'i. It's natural to assume that in moving to Hawai'i, mainlanders (or 'outsiders' from any place..) are ready, willing and even excited to embrace all things Hawaiian, including the culture and people. That does not mean those that have had roots here for generations are ready to accept people foreign to them. It's understandable that giving trust to 'outsiders' will come with some hesitation, and that dues would need to be paid by each individual. Even if those dues are only to prove that one has moved here with respect and love of the land, culture, and people that have been here for generations. This isn't hard to do. Like Bananahead points out: look people in the eyes, smile and speak to them lke they're human beings. Show respect and love for everybody, including locals. Sure, some will be more hesitant to accept you or me at first take, and at times we may be met with a cold shoulder, but this happens in every community with new-comers. It's nothing new. And it isn't isolated to Hawai'i, for SURE! olutely
RE: How real is the rascism ? - OrchidIslander - 01-07-2014
Quote]Originally posted by seventhreads
......you know, in africa, sometimes people there die of many different causes. it could be malaria, a hippo attack, you name it. so while it is true that anywhere from 5-50 million africans perished in the atlantic slave trade, that same amount would have eventually died of natural causes had they stayed on the african continent!
I readily admit that whatever point you are trying to make eludes me. You do realize that, numerically, there is a huge difference between 5 and 50 million anything including Africans. To actually believe that millions between the ranges you provided have perished due to hippo attack is incredulous and strange.
If you are somehow attempting to equate, or justify, the number of people who died in such a miserable fashion in route to an indefensible system of hell on earth because approximately the same amount of people would have probably died partially due to hippo attack if they stayed in Africa anyway - did you really think that one through?
I agree with one of the previous posters who advised you not to share your views with Native Hawaiians. I would suggest that you take that advice to heart and broaden it to include most living people, people of color and specifically the descendents of American slaves like me.
RE: How real is the rascism ? - MarkP - 01-07-2014
Right now the majority of land in Hawaii is not owned by Hawaiians and it is probably true that the majority of Hawaiians do not own land. Go back to 1849 and the majority of land was owned by Hawaiians and lots of Hawaiians owned land. Go back to 1847 and all the land was owned by Hawaiians and only a tiny fraction of Hawaiians owned land. What happened in 1848? The Great Mahele in which the concept of private ownership of land was introduced. Prior to that the vast majority of Hawaiians owned no land and could be turned off the land they were living on. There were lots of laws like that that made being a commoner in ancient Hawaii probably not much more fun than being a European peasant in the same era. I am not foolish enough to get teary-eyed over the good old days of the dark ages in my ancestral homelands of England, Ireland, and Germany. I know how sleazy my ancestors were. I believe in racial equality. I therefor know something about everybody else's ancestors and how "great" things were back then.
Ah, the Law of the Splintered Paddle, enacted by Kamehameha the Great in 1797. Just as Lincoln freed the slaves, Kamehameha granted basic human rights to all Hawaiians including commoners. Course, before you can free slaves you have to own slaves. Similarly prior to the Law of the Splintered Paddle Ali'i could and did arbitrarily did exercise the power of life and death over commoners. Kind of spoils the story. But only if you know and care about history. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming about how great it would be to turn back the clock to a time when women couldn't eat with the men, you could get killed for not getting out of the way of someone of a higher caste, and warfare and the sacrificial killing of captives taken during said warfare were both part of your culture.
And the vast majority of common Hawaiian people didn't own their homes but had to essentially "rent" from the landlords from hell under the worst lease terms imaginable.
RE: How real is the rascism ? - Guest - 01-08-2014
My grandfather is Mic-Mac Indian, I know a thing or two about having land taken away. At the end of the day, I cant think of a single culture that hasnt gone through this. I think it is time we start empathizing with ALL of humanity and look at our species on a global level, that we all have this planet to share and respect with each other.
As far as being a minority, I live in South Florida. If you have ever been to Miami or Fort Lauderdale, you would know it is extremely diverse in culture. I love it, and I hope to experience the same thing in Hawaii, just with a different mix of culture.
There are assholes everywhere. I agree, and speaking of assholes, I cant help but when i see the word Ahaole i really see A-hole. Ironic ?
RE: How real is the rascism ? - Punababa - 01-08-2014
We are all born out the same source this is a fact at a very high level , we have to acknowledge that down our human history some of our brethren got greedy and deprived their own siblings of land and sometimes life, put a fence around God’s property and labelled their own , this is in short the history of the world. What we are discussing in this forum here is the gravity of this greed and who is better or worse than the other, one extreme example is to look at the North American landscape this is an example of racism , greed , discrimination or whatever label one wants put on it taken to an extreme genocidal level, the other is the experience of “ Haoles” in Hawaii, look yourself in the mirror and make your own judgments which is better or worse, there is no use looking into the past the present and future is important , the current situation in Hawaii is such that we are all minorities, we have to acknowledge the injustices done to the natives, respect their sensitivities and make this land a Model for tolerance , looking down the road human migration and inter racial marriages is at its highest pace , the so called new world of Americas, Australia, New Zealand and to some extent Europe and the other countries will all look a lot like Hawaii in the not so distant future, this is reality the present history of our planet, peace to all and saturate your bodies with Aloha spirit of the Islands, remember we all should consider ourselves lucky to have the chance to live and to some folks even own a small pinch of paradise.
RE: How real is the rascism ? - EightFingers - 01-08-2014
I've never refused the "ha".
But then, no one's offered it to me yet.