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RE: Battle over Bengals at Panaewa Rainforest Zoo & Ga - Punatic007 - 10-16-2015
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Originally posted by rainyjim
We should probably just make a big bubble to live in and never leave it so we don't impact the environment in any way.
Nor to take any accountability of our behavior or heaven forbid choose to educate ourselves on the needs of animals and perhaps uplift the current consciousness on the island of disposable pet mentality.
A brilliant pioneer in animal rights is Temple Grandin, there's a great documentary out about her. An autistic woman who has a gift of seeing patterns of herding animals who managed to apply her knowledge to slaughterhouses to minimize trauma to the animals which of course also saves the industry tons of money or they would never have listened to her. Regardless, why not choose to be humane and minimize the cruelty?
RE: Battle over Bengals at Panaewa Rainforest Zoo & Ga - kalakoa - 10-16-2015
choose to educate ourselves on the needs of animals
Simpler idea: justify the expense of a County-run zoo in the first place.
RE: Battle over Bengals at Panaewa Rainforest Zoo & Ga - PunaMauka2 - 10-16-2015
"justify the expense of a County-run zoo in the first place."
In support, I might compare it to a cultural resource which could be loosely categorized along with public libraries, public parks, community auditoriums.
RE: Battle over Bengals at Panaewa Rainforest Zoo & Ga - Kapoho Joe - 10-16-2015
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Originally posted by PunaMauka2
"justify the expense of a County-run zoo in the first place."
In support, I might compare it to a cultural resource which could be loosely categorized along with public libraries, public parks, community auditoriums.
You might, but you'd be wrong.
RE: Battle over Bengals at Panaewa Rainforest Zoo & Ga - kalakoa - 10-16-2015
You might, but you'd be wrong.
The above-mentioned "cultural resources" do have one thing in common: they're all huge money sinks.
RE: Battle over Bengals at Panaewa Rainforest Zoo & Ga - terracore - 10-16-2015
"Terracore, yours is a good rationale and excuse for the controversial dentist lion hunter too. Hear about all the elephants massacred lately? The moral of the story is...the more we objectify animals, the more abuse they will receive."
No, and don't try to twist my words into that demented thought process. Your lack of denial of ever using an animal product means that YOU excuse the controversial dentist lion hunter too if one was to follow your argument.
"Edit to add....
Have a chat with our local Humane Society manager, he'll let you know how many thousand of abused pets are euthanized in Puna each month."
I don't need to. I worked for a humane society for many years and volunteered at the one in Keaau. I'm not the one throwing the first stone.
"It's time to rethink the whole pet dynamic, don't ya think? Seems to me like it's not working too well and in need of an overhaul. Criminalizing zoo's would be a good start in teaching children that abuse of animals is NOT ok. And for a good starting reason that those who abuse animals will often abuse other humans."
Rethink pet dynamic: Agree 100%
Criminalizing zoos: Maybe you can share your feelings on this? Does it involve a police state marching into the zoos and arresting all the volunteers and employees? And euthanizing the animals like PETA recommends? I can't agree with that.
ETA: grammar
RE: Battle over Bengals at Panaewa Rainforest Zoo & Ga - PunaMauka2 - 10-16-2015
Explanation, Kapoho Joe?
RE: Battle over Bengals at Panaewa Rainforest Zoo & Ga - Punatic007 - 10-16-2015
I'm not getting into it further with you terracore, either folks objectify animals or they don't. You do and I don't. A good analogy is a breeder and a rescuer, two who rarely can have a rational discussion about the ethics of zoos, the schism runs too deep.
Edit to add...
I draw this conclusion from your remark about breeding and warehousing animals until their habitats come back. When has there been a reversal of global warming, overpopulation, global pollution or deforestation to give you this idea that it's ok to breed and warehouse animals in cages to the point of catatonic existence not just severe depression and the assumption the land would support them or they could reintroduce? Who it that for? Humans or the animals?
RE: Battle over Bengals at Panaewa Rainforest Zoo & Ga - dmbwest - 10-16-2015
Not getting into it with you ... As long as I get the last word that is ... Kick and run Classic.
RE: Battle over Bengals at Panaewa Rainforest Zoo & Ga - dmbwest - 10-16-2015
Bring on the Bengals and throw some raw meat to them right next to the fence.