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RE: Pending dog abuse laws - Kapoho Joe - 04-17-2017
I think a lot of the push back I get from HPD dispatch is a result of a short staffed crew. The dispatcher constantly has to make value decisions as far as how to most effectively allocate resources. If there were more resources available, I doubt we would hear so many excuses.
RE: Pending dog abuse laws - Chunkster - 04-17-2017
HPD dispatch is the red herring here. The real issue is the police leadership and the union rules regarding how the cops have to do their jobs. The recently retired chief was a train wreck political hack who had an unholy alliance with the union bosses. He kept the better rank and file officers, especially those who might want to find ways to do more comprehensive policing, in line with the low expectations of the unions. Does it really require two (or more) cops to write up a fender bender? No, it does not, but HPD operational procedures generally lead to it. I have had several police officers tell me that their procedural requirements regularly lead to so many officers showing up at an incident that they literally get in each other's way, leading to faulty investigative results. Other jurisdictions manage to do comprehensive policing, even when it comes to nuisance violations and dogs, with similar or even fewer personnel resources than we have here. It is a matter of the will to do it, and it is lacking locally.
RE: Pending dog abuse laws - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 04-17-2017
short staffed crew
Whenever I see a car pulled over, or a police response in front of a home there are generally 2 or 3 or 4 police cars responding. There's probably a good reason for this, and perhaps the total is based on previous incidents by the driver or domestic situation when the driver's license or address is called in.
But it does keep officers from responding to other calls.
“Reality is what we take to be true. What we take to be true is what we believe… What we believe determines what we take to be true.” -David Bohm
RE: Pending dog abuse laws - Chunkster - 04-17-2017
HOTPE says: ". . .are generally 2 or 3 or 4 police cars responding. There's probably a good reason for this . . ."
Sometimes, but frequently not. See my comment above for a different point of view based on conversations with cops, several of whom are my neighbors.
RE: Pending dog abuse laws - mermaid53 - 04-17-2017
quote:These kinds of broad stroke statements finger pointing at race/culture is what contributes to the divisive thinking here in the islands. There are whites living in Puna who mistreat animals. Remember where you live....in a rural area. Rural areas in the mainland have the same issues and it's whites, blacks, all colors, committing the same inhumane behavior towards animals.
Originally posted by glassnumbers
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Pointing out a genuinely bad aspect of local culture isn't wrong. This may be one reason so little is done about it; people are afraid of being labelled a bigot for doing the compassionate thing. That hesitancy has to be overcome. As HI residents we're quick to point out the flaws of mainland culture, the pushiness, the aggressive assertiveness...etc. We can't let that blind us to the fact that local culture isn't perfect. Tradition doesn't trump doing the right thing.
Yeah one problem there is the two largest populations aren't native, so the whites/asians aren't allowed to criticize local culture and they compose 64% of Hawai'i's population. So well over half the entire populace of Hawai'i can't say **** about the local culture at any point.
Another issue is that people don't care or feel entitled.
"Tradition doesn't trump doing the right thing." tell that to the TMT protestors. Look how far they went out of their way to protest something that would only help them. I have no faith in anyone handling their dogs differently.
Aloha
I posted this on 8 Mar 2017 and happens to be about a white guy...
Another guy who was building and flipping in HPP had German Shepherds posted at each of his empty houses w/a matching dog house. I often biked by the dog on Beach Rd who's water dish was a pie pan that often had flipped over. The poor dog would lay underneath a stone bench nearby where he was chained to get relief in the small shady spot. Lots of people had called the Humane Society. One day the dog was running down the road and I saw the owner at his other property and stopped to inform him. He got in his truck and drove in the opposite direction. The dog was scared of me and I saw him running loose around for another couple of weeks. The dog knew where his other properties were on 2nd and Kaloli dead end and would visit the other shepherds. Later I heard someone had kidnapped 3 of them and gave them to good homes. The dogs had been found starving while the owner was out of town. He had the nerve to file a suit against her. They ended up having to pay the owner for the cost of the 3 dogs. It was worth it to them. The dogs are in loving homes.
I'm half white so this is not about my poking at whites. The core issues are humans of all colors here in Hawaii committing these crimes towards animals and the lack of proper enforcement. I don't hesitate calling the Humane Society when there's a problem. My last name is "haole" and I've had success in getting their attention, so again, no race issue involved.
RE: Pending dog abuse laws - glassnumbers - 04-17-2017
I'm not sure what you thought I said, but...what I said is that the largest two populations on the island, that make up 64%, they are not allowed to criticize local culture, because the moment they do, they will be called haole and be criticized in turn by natives.
I never said white people are somehow magically exempt from animal abuse, I swear to god some people on this forum could honestly benefit from working on their reading comprehension skills.
RE: Pending dog abuse laws - mermaid53 - 04-17-2017
I'm not sure what you thought I said, but...what I said is that the largest two populations on the island, that make up 64%, they are not allowed to criticize local culture, because the moment they do, they will be called haole and be criticized in turn by natives.
I swear to god some people on this forum could honestly benefit from working on their reading comprehension skills.
"I never said white people are somehow magically exempt from animal abuse" ....and I didn't claim you did...(reading comprehension) I didn't think it was appropriate to bring up the race or culture card bc animal abuse occurs all over the world by people of all colors. It seems to be more prevalent in rural areas bc of life style, not race, not culture per se.
Without us wandering too far off course w/the thread topic, pls clarify what you mean glassnumbers... "what I said is that the largest two populations on the island, that make up 64%, they are not allowed to criticize local culture, because the moment they do, they will be called haole and be criticized in turn by natives." BTW, "haole" is not a bad word...it's a description is all. That's been my experience for 4 decades in the islands. I've been called "hapa haole" w/no offense. My husband doesn't find "haole" offensive unless "f'n" precedes it.
RE: Pending dog abuse laws - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 04-17-2017
procedural requirements regularly lead to so many officers showing up at an incident that they literally get in each other's way, leading to faulty investigative results.
A case of too many cooks spoil the broth.
Perhaps a change of procedure might allow for multiple officers to respond to a call as a precautionary measure, then when it's determined that everything is safely under control the additional police can return to their vehicles, get back on the road, and respond to other calls.
“Reality is what we take to be true. What we take to be true is what we believe… What we believe determines what we take to be true.” -David Bohm