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RE: Watch Out - racing on Red Road.. - kalakoa - 07-25-2017
nowhere near enough police officers patrolling Puna
Symptom, not cause. Puna is "just" an "ag-zoned farming community". If it were actually recognized as a "bedroom community", it would require better police coverage.
RE: Watch Out - racing on Red Road.. - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-25-2017
Puna is "just" an "ag-zoned farming community".
Yes, and we know how little theft and damage has been experienced by the papaya farmers, the coffee farmers, the flower farmers, the orange farmer in Ka'u...
Four people are in a room and seven leave. How many have to enter again before it's empty?
RE: Watch Out - racing on Red Road.. - kalakoa - 07-25-2017
theft and damage has been experienced by the papaya farmers, the coffee farmers ...
These incidents are consistent with the land-use, and therefore a relevant use of limited HPD resources.
RE: Watch Out - racing on Red Road.. - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-25-2017
These incidents are consistent with the land-use
Perhaps acceptable consequences of land use in Puna or Hawaii.
I farmed for six years on the mainland without a single occurance of theft* or vandalism. I didn't lock my doors. I kept my truck keys in the ignition so they were always handy. The tractor started with a push button.
* By humans. Deer and woodchucks were another story.
Four people are in a room and seven leave. How many have to enter again before it's empty?
RE: Watch Out - racing on Red Road.. - TomK - 07-25-2017
Kapoho Joe - I haven't found the info I was looking for but did ask (not HPD). This isn't current, but apparently, there are eight officers assigned to Puna and those on patrol is a floating number. I have a hard time believing this - eight officers to serve Puna 24-hours every day of the year - but will follow-up.
RE: Watch Out - racing on Red Road.. - Kapoho Joe - 07-25-2017
That's where I messed up Tom, it's 4 for upper and 4 for lower. 8 total and the punks know it.
RE: Watch Out - racing on Red Road.. - TomK - 07-25-2017
KJ - what I don't find credible is that only eight officers are assigned to Puna. I need to get this clarified. Even if it's four assigned to lower Puna and another four assigned to upper Puna, how on earth can you have enough on patrol at any given time over 24-hours? They can't work 24-hour shifts every day of the year.
I suspect the number is Puna police officers on duty (as opposed to on patrol) at any given time, but I don't know that yet. I will definitely do my best to get more info.
RE: Watch Out - racing on Red Road.. - alaskyn66 - 07-26-2017
According to the HPD annual report, there are 59 sworn officers in Puna district.
Puna District
Commander: Capt. Samuel Jelsma
Area: 683 square miles /Authorized sworn positions: 59
The district of Puna is larger in land mass
than the entire island of Oahu or the
cities of Los Angeles and Philadelphia
combined. In terms of population, it has been
described as the fastest-growing district on
the island.
Fifty-one police officers, six sergeants, one
lieutenant and one captain position are des#65534;ignated for the Puna District. Additionally,
the district has four volunteer reserve officers
and three civilian staff members.
The primary Puna District station is lo#65534;cated just outside P#257;hoa Village on Highway
130. The Kea‘au substation is located in
Kea‘au town off Old Volcano Road.
Community Policing Officers in Puna
work with 10 Neighborhood Watch groups
in crime prevention, community awareness
and problem solving. The Community
Policing officers continue working with
local businesses and farmers with the
Kea‘au Agriculture Watch in response to
agricultural thefts and illegal hunting in the
Kea‘au area. Some of the largest landowners
and farm groups in the area are part of the
watch.
Pg. 28
How many are working at any givin time is anybody guess..but it's my understanding that when you are a cop.. you are always on call.
RE: Watch Out - racing on Red Road.. - kalakoa - 07-26-2017
there are 59 sworn officers in Puna
For an 8-hour shift x 5 days/week - vacation/sick/holiday, I think you end up dividing by 5: 59 / 5 = 11.8 officers on duty at any given time.
If it takes 4 officers to respond to a traffic stop (as seems to be "the custom") that means HPD has the capacity to handle 3 incidents at a time, or once incident per about 228 square miles, against a mostly unarmed populace.
I'm sure someone can find fault with the above numbers, but even if they're off by a factor of two or three, police coverage is still spread pretty thin, with hundreds of miles of unpaved roads and no streetlights...
RE: Watch Out - racing on Red Road.. - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-26-2017
police coverage is still spread pretty thin
A number of years ago (10-15) I spoke with someone whose cousin was a police officer in Ka'u Distict. She said if her cousin had the night shift, he was the only patrolman on duty. When he responded to a call he wouldn't get out of the car. He considered it too dangerous.
I'm not sure it he's still on the police force, but somehow I doubt it.
Four people are in a room and seven leave. How many have to enter again before it's empty?