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RE: New, Improved Pohoiki? - glinda - 10-14-2018
I'm a big fan of shoreline recreation projects...
As are many. Though I suspect your concerns about the restrictive mature of shoreline use and management are more with the federal government than any environmental group or local government. I believe it is their kuleana and locally everyone is just falling in line, applying their own layer of bureaucracy of course. Shoreline management is a big deal. Try and move a rock the wrong way or without a truckload of studies and permits and OMG. But try as you might to suggest all that is the construct of Hilo or Honolulu is (I believe - please correct me if I am wrong) misplacing the blame. This also applies throughout all waterways that lead to the sea as well. All that stuff is trickling down from Washington.
RE: New, Improved Pohoiki? - MarkD - 10-14-2018
Glinda: "I suspect your concerns about the restrictive nature of shoreline use and management are more with the federal government than any environmental group or local government. "
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This is significantly true. Federal Corps of Engineers shoreline permitting. But these strict regs were put into effect decades ago at the behest of environmental interests, probably including the Sierra Club.
Up and down the eastern U.S. seaboard, numerous coastal communities get their beach replenishment and jetty projects approved. These communities push hard for their projects; they get the permitting.
This whole business is complex, particularly so in Hawaii.
It is not clear whether Hawaii's lack of shoreline projects stems more from state and county officials' unwillingness to deal with permitting challenges or more from local officials with environmental sensitivities failing to pursue on the pretext that regulations forbid the projects. And certainly Hawaii's environmentalists rarely speak publicly on this matter. They don't have to. They just quietly point to the list of regs when anyone ponders a project.
Making loud critics like me appear to be foolishly ranting about nothing.
But the facts are there. When's the last time a pier was built anywhere in Hawaii? An ocean swimming lagoon? A coastal hot pond. Steps into the ocean, so seniors get easy water entry?
The best thing that could happen is for the Trump administration to gut all these federal shoreline permitting regulations (well, rewrite them). Then we'd certainly hear from environmentalists.
Want to regulate a company trying to dredge out a giant boat harbor or build a hotel 10 feet from the ocean? Fine. But don't confuse that with a community trying to build a small ocean swimming lagoon or shoreline hot pond for public use.
RE: New, Improved Pohoiki? - bananahead - 10-14-2018
"...The number of environmentalists I refer to (hardcore environmentalists) is probably less than 10% of the total population. Yet this small group has a hugely constraining impact on the public interest of modifying coastlines for swimmers, surfers, hot pond bathers and other shoreline users...."
Mark... 10% huh?, how do you know this Mark?.. the same way you know your Amama crabs huh.. its A'ama Crab btw... and how you know it is 4-6 yrs to make a new ramp too??, 1,000 people /day at pohoiki in a yr? like 400 cars worth huh... get real... never in lower Puna... not even with a dozen black sand beaches now.... the most seen in historic times in the entire World...
in reality, ENVIRONMENTALISTS are here to HELP SAVE our endemic and indigenous flora and fauna.. PERIOD!!! iow help fight the idiot mainland transfer mentality of ALWAYS seeking to screw up Hawaii even more...
here in Hawaii, over 90% of the plants naturally found here, are ONLY FOUND HERE (endemic)... try finding a place on Earth even remotely close to 90%.... NONE Im also trying to help save the 'stuff' thats been here for 60,000,000-80,000,000+ yrs too.. I could care less about the very very recent human history of these islands, as they have only been here for less than 2K yrs.. thats = to humans being here for only 1/40,000th the time our flora and fauna has been here...
Mark, try read... how many Hawaiian plants can you personally ID on a hike, or by driving by them at 55 mph??... fyi, there are about 1,000 native plants out there, all w/binominal names... out of those 1K about 1/3rd are already extinct, 1/3rd almost extinct, and 1/3rd currently secure for the time being... can you name more than 12 of the thousand+?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_tropical_dry_forests
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_tropical_rainforests
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ecoregions_with_high_endemism
hawaiian red shrimp found in hot ponds
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halocaridina_rubra
rarest Hawaii plant ever...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanaloa_kahoolawensis
aloha
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save our indigenous and endemic Hawaiian Plants... learn about them, grow them, and plant them on your property, ....instead of all that invasive non-native garbage I see in most yards... aloha
RE: New, Improved Pohoiki? - dan d - 10-14-2018
The big island biological environment hasnt even been arround for even 1 million years
Banna,sorry.most of the plants here today were brought in by ships and ranches and farms
We have 8 new invasive species a month come to the BI ,and most of them get caught by
Dept of ag,and normal citizens calling in something new they just saw, usually to master garden office.
Aloha
HPP
RE: New, Improved Pohoiki? - Lolo - 10-14-2018
Source?
RE: New, Improved Pohoiki? - dan d - 10-15-2018
Cthar soil analysis of the islands. The kohala mountains are the oldest on this island at about .6 mil yrs old.Midway island is the oldest at about 1.5 mil to 2.0 mil years old.Above ocean geologic age
HPP
RE: New, Improved Pohoiki? - SBH - 10-15-2018
Age of islands...
“Ages of rocks from different Islands in the Hawaiian island chain show that the islands are progressively older to the northwest: Oahu, 3.4 to 2.2 Myr (millions of years); Molokai, 1.8 to 1.3 Myr; Maui, 1.3 to 0.8 Myr; and the Big Island (Hawaii), less than 0.7 and still growing.”
http://www.punaridge.org/doc/factoids/Hawaii/Default.htm
“The ages of the Hawaiian Islands correspond directly with their geographical positions. The main islands are positioned in order of age, from oldest to youngest, from northwest to southeast. Kauai is approximately 5.1 million years old, followed by Oahu at 2.2 to 3.4 million years old. Molokai is next, at 1.3 to 1.9 million years old; Lanai, at approximately 1.3 million years; and Maui, at 0.8 to 1.3 million years old. The oldest parts of the Big Island are less than 0.7 million years old, and contemporary lava flows consistently add brand-new land.”
https://traveltips.usatoday.com/oldest-hawaiian-islands-55380.html
RE: New, Improved Pohoiki? - snorkle - 10-17-2018
Fire Department plan; After access road is ripped and cindered. This is a "soft" opening while more permanent infrastructure is developed.
Move the two guard towers (from Pohoiki and Ahalanui) to the new beach. Place one at each end by helicopter. They are currently being stored at the HPP station.
Bring water trailer in for bathrooms and rinsing.
Station water safety officers (lifeguards) at each end of beach.
Station Jetski and ATV on beach.
Note; Fire Department has no position or say on boatramp.
RE: New, Improved Pohoiki? - kalakoa - 10-17-2018
After access road is ripped and cindered...
I thought there wasn't any money?
RE: New, Improved Pohoiki? - kimo wires - 10-17-2018
Fire Dept? What?