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RE: Turn out your lights !! - mella l - 09-25-2007
Hey Ed,
I think this is a great idea! Just like the nite kite flights on the full moon. People with like interests, astronomy, diving, kites, and such.
So if you are there yet you could host the first Puna Sky Party. If I'm on island when it happens I'll be there.
mella l
RE: Turn out your lights !! - Rob Tucker - 09-25-2007
I just got a new Celestron telescope and don't know how to use it. A night sky party sounds like a good idea.
Aloha
Punaweb moderator
RE: Turn out your lights !! - Carey - 09-25-2007
M. maybe even bring the 'scope??? Maybe we can tie all the interests in a No Moon Night Dive Kite Fly Sky Party????(OK, even I can see the problems in that one - Kites, fragile mirrors & divers in the dark....)
RE: Turn out your lights !! - Greg - 09-25-2007
Genxor, You're correct in your list of priorities for Puna. I just can't understand why you think these can't be achieved without trashing the environment. If we have to choose between development and environment we get the worst elements of both. Our pristine night sky is one oportunity to develop our economy sustainably through astronomy, as opposed to the sugar industry , who left a legacy of arsnic and unemployment when their profits slowed. We need to show pride in our Island's uniqueness, after all that's what brings us(and visitors)here.
RE: Turn out your lights !! - Bob Orts - 09-25-2007
Sorry Genxor, I understand what your saying but I can't stand with you on this one.
Light Abatement: All for a reasonable ordinance that preserves the night sky. A proportionate burden on everyone, including the prohibition for large light islands like schools, recreation fields, shopping centers, commercial developments, industrial properties and resorts. No grandfathering on this important issue
Water Pollution: Absolutely for the prohibition on cesspools and septic systems and the mandatory use of county sanitary sewers. Ultimately, untreated waste does impact our environment and does leech into the oceans. Absolutely for the mandated building of runoff treatment plants. Each year tons of rubber compounds and hundreds of gallons of motor oil make it’s way in to the oceans around the island through storm run off. Not to mention plain old garbage.
Air Pollution: A Big Thumbs up on ordinances to reduce air pollution. Mandatory restrictions on single occupancy vehicles on the major roadways during rush ours is a must. Only one car for personal use per private property, we must learn to carpool or ride a bike. A mandatory emissions test for vehicles to include a don’t pass – to the junkyard requirement. A county wide minimum (25 city 25 highway) mpg ordinance. No wood burning stove or fireplaces permitted (also contributes to particulate pollution that can harm the economy of the observatories). No burning of garbage or vegetation on private property, period.
Land Pollution: Can’t be ignored any longer. I favor a $500 per vehicle recycle fee regardless if running or not. You get your $500 back when you take it to a auto recycler. Impose a $50 per tire recycling fee returnable when tire is recycled. Maybe even a .10 cents recycling fee on all plastic and Styrofoam packaging and food containers. A minimum $250 fine for littering, including cigarette butts, gum wrappers and pet waste.
Environmental Impact Abatement: Another of those should have been done long ago. The complete prohibition on any plant, animal, or living organism that is capable of reproducing that is not native unless specifically for farm, agricultural or educational purposes. There are hundreds of beautiful native plants on the island; we don’t need plants from other areas no matter how pretty we think they are. The island can not afford to have pet cats, dogs or birds get loose and become an invasive species. If they are not fixed, they can not live on the BI.
Heat Effect Abatement: Concrete, tar and asphalt products increase global warming and create heat islands that will impact the viability of the island’s ecosystem. If not required for essential public safety, large expanses like driveways and parking lots have to go. Roofs must be heat impact sensitive and if the only allowed roofing is a hospital dull green colored composite shingle, people must accept and be required to replace them immediately for the sake of the island.
Visual Pollution. Nobody’s economic condition gives them the right to pollute the visual beauty of this island. Strict community standards must be enacted. No more rusted roofs, overgrown lots, faded paint on homes, outlandish colors that do not blend with the surroundings, abandon cars, old furniture, miscellaneous stored construction material, billboards, windmills, large signs or garbage of any kind can be tolerated. And this means the removal of all exposed cell towers. Nobody's personal cell phone use is that important to negatively impact everyone else's view of the island. How can any community expect to attract high paying jobs, vital industry, quality businesses, and tourism if the place looks like a slum? Keep Hawaii beautiful in its pristine state.
I’m sure everyone will agree that if light pollution is important to them, so should all the above. Let’s not put ourselves in the corner by painting one as important and not all the others. We must, for the vitality and preservation of the island, act now to eliminate light, air, visual, land, water, heat and environmental pollution regardless of the cost. The destruction of the entire island’s environment, economics, viability and tourism is so much more important than any inconvenience.
No one individual's personal or property rights are more important than the rights of mother nature to protect this island from human caused pollution of any kind.
RE: Turn out your lights !! - Greg - 09-25-2007
Ah, A Comediattorney.
Aloha, Greg
Edited by - greg on 09/26/2007 07:08:25
RE: Turn out your lights !! - oink - 09-26-2007
Ignoring the fallacious technique, there is some merit in all of Bob's suggestions, when not taken to the extreme, and it is wise for local governments to address many of those, in a nondraconian manner.
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
RE: Turn out your lights !! - LaurelJ - 09-26-2007
While staying on Beach Rd in HPP this past July. Our family saw the Milky Way and actually witnessed a "Geosync"flasher, while sitting on lanai with all the lights off. We would never have seen this in the Bay area of San Francisco. With all due respect, Puna, Turn out the blinkin' lights, Puna may be our only hope for a heads up to an incoming alien invasion
RE: Turn out your lights !! - Greg - 09-26-2007
Sorry you had to witness a "Geosync flasher", but I'm sure there are a few of those individuals in the Bay area
RE: Turn out your lights !! - Carolann R - 09-26-2007
What's a geosync flasher? Is that a reflection off a satellite?
Carrie
"All I can say about life is, Oh God, enjoy it." Bob Newhart
Edited by - Carolann R on 09/26/2007 11:19:35