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RE: Blog/Bloggers - Necessary? - dakine - 03-22-2009
bloggers are cool.. though for all intent and purposes they really are just people with way too much time on their hands that take advantage of the tools available to fill it with something that gives them pleasure. as to reading their wares, or taking any of it seriously, it takes having too much time on my hands and a desire to wade through their egotistical me me me-ness, (with self editing this can get pretty sticky) which usually drives me away pretty quick, when I have had the time to wander in their direction. especially the blogs from the big island, which from what I have seen and read are way to silly to take serious. hunter's blog was exemplary, and is sorely missed. he had a knack for presenting information professionally without waving his own flag, which obviously earned him the respect that led to his current position with the county administration. as to the line that one can get their news faster from a blog than other more traditional sources, that may be all fine and true, but I have yet to see a need to take advantage of this resource, there just isn't any news I want rushing at me like that, especially at the cost of having to wade through web sites cluttered with all the other noise the pages are filled with. the idea of being able to see bloggers unite and bring their investigative skills together, through a third party that edited and presented worthwhile 'news' in a respectable format, rather than embedded as they are now, in individual personal surrounding, would, well at least 'could', be a real resource. but in the end what does it matter... as long as we realize their role as entertainers, and not be swayed in to believing everything we read, all is great. and of course, going to their sites remains voluntary, they are either a click away, or on the dark side of the moon, as it should be
RE: Blog/Bloggers - Necessary? - lobrien - 03-22-2009
I think centipede's and mgeary's positions (read blogs not because they are objective, but because you know all reporting is subjective) are spot-on. The Golden Age of Journalism when hard-hitting reporters beholden to nothing but the facts spoke truth to power, is largely a myth.
But this idea that bloggers should get a pass on basic ethics is BS, too. You don't need a course in journalism to know that you can't simultaneously claim that you're an "important source of information" to the BI and say "hey, it's just my opinion. I don't have any responsibility to check my facts."
RE: Blog/Bloggers - Necessary? - Tiffany Edwards - 03-22-2009
Thank you all for a very thought-provoking discussion about this social phenomenon that we are watching and experiencing... Yes, it involves the news and how we get it, but it also involves our relationships... I am truly appreciative of this thread because I have been mulling around a column for weeks and now, after reading through all your comments, I feel like I'm ready to get started. You'll find it posted on my blog, a site that offers you both news and commentary... and occasionally mentions myself, friends and family members --- because, as I spend most of my time as a wife and mother, it serves as a creative outlet and a way to keep me writing everyday.
All the best to you folks as you grapple with this social phenomenon... I urge you to catch the wave because another set is going to be coming in before you know it... We are in a technological revolution... Time for you folks to get your Facebook and Twitter accounts
Aloha,
Tiffany Edwards Hunt
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columnist for Puna News
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transcriber, facilitator, surf shop proprietor, babysitter --- you name it
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or visit www.bigislandchronicle.com
RE: Blog/Bloggers - Necessary? - John S. Rabi - 03-22-2009
quote:Aaron, don't get offended. I know you got some crap on konaweb too. The truth is, it doesn't matter what you do, you always will have people disagreeing with you. Do what you do, do it right, be diligent, and you will be successful and you will have your following. You should care about those only.
Originally posted by Aaron S
On that note, this topic is very frustrating to someone like myself.I spend a couple hours of my free time each day updating my blog. Thus I feel like I'm getting unjustly criticized because I blog.
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RE: Blog/Bloggers - Necessary? - punafish - 03-22-2009
John Rabi's advice is spot on. Criticism comes with the territory of being a writer. You can't please everyone nor should you try. Just keep doing what you're doing, Aaron.
RE: Blog/Bloggers - Necessary? - JWFITZ - 03-22-2009
The biggest danger with blogs vs. the local paper is that at least in theory a local paper attempted to provide a impartial generalist perspective. This is rarely the case with blogs, including mine. This is fine, except there is a real tendency among many readers only to read stuff that they already want to hear, and education goes by the wayside. Still, it's better than what journalism has become by and large--propaganda and advertising copy solely.
RE: Blog/Bloggers - Necessary? - Aaron S - 03-22-2009
quote:
Originally posted by PaulW
Just one question: how do you know that it's a fact that bloggers
like yourself "play a critical role on the dissemination of news on this island"?
I stated this because as it stands now our islands news reporting is solely in the hands of mainland based company. Who may or may not our best interest at heart.
RE: Blog/Bloggers - Necessary? - Aaron S - 03-22-2009
quote:
Originally posted by dakine
bloggers are cool.. though for all intent and purposes they really are just people with way too much time on their hands that take advantage of the tools available to fill it with something that gives them pleasure.
Dakine, I have full time job which I work the graveyard shift. Thus I have to juggle working, spending time with my girlfriend, and sleeping. In other words I don't have as much free time as you would think. I blog because I care about this island.
RE: Blog/Bloggers - Necessary? - mgeary - 03-22-2009
quote:And this, I think, is what led to the current state of information management. The local paper honestly believed they were providing an impartial generalist perspective, which is an impossibility. It's possible to be a generalist, I guess, but it is absolutely impossible to be impartial. Everybody has an agenda. Everybody has a perspective, made up of their background, their education, their social class, their ethnicity, their religion, the way their 3rd grade teacher treated them, etc. Reporters, editors, news anchors, even the copy boy in the delivery room, they all have an opinion, and it's just not humanly possible, I don't think, to separate your point of view from your work, when you work in the presentation of information.
Originally posted by JWFITZ
The biggest danger with blogs vs. the local paper is that at least in theory a local paper attempted to provide a impartial generalist perspective...
When a news outlet has fooled itself into thinking they are "impartial", well, that's the time to change the channel. IMHO.
Aloha! ;-)
RE: Blog/Bloggers - Necessary? - Kelena - 03-22-2009
I respectfully disagree. It is quite possible to be impartial if you adhere to basic journalistic training and stick to who, what, where, why and when, and sometimes how. It is that training that has gone lax. There is far too much subjectivity and sensationalism in print news today masquerading as objective journalism.
I can write about the death of Barbara Olson on 9/11, a conservative commentator, and you would have no idea that I am a flaming liberal:
Barbara Olson was among those that perished on flight 127 that crashed into the Pentagon on September 11, 2009. Wife of Solictor General Ted Olson, and a former US Attorney, Mrs. Olson had lately enjoyed great success as a conservative commentator. She was respected for her wit and her sometimes caustic humor. When the flight crashed into the Pentagon, she was talking with her husband on her cellular telephone, aware of her fate because her husband had advised her of the outcome of the other airplanes hijacked on that date. She was 55.
Now let's spin it right:
The nation has lost a patriot and a thorn in the side of the liberal media. Barbara Olson was among those that perished on flight 127 that crashed into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001 when it was hijacked by 2 Arabs who were allowed to just walk on the plane in Democrat-controlled Boston. Mrs. Olson was the wife of the Solicitor General, who had been handpicked by our President, George W. Bush, and was known for making liberals squirm in her well-received national television appearances in which she skewered the nanny state, tree-huggers, appeasers, and advocates of abortion-on-demand. She was 55.