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RE: Taliban Coming to Hawaii? - centipede - 07-08-2009
Wow. I could spend the next few pages commenting on all this new stuff, but I'll simply share a few words with KathyH, who is one of many who has an itch with Fox News.
Kathy, I watch ALL news programs; liberal as well as conservative, and they range from PBS to CNN, HNN, CNBC and MSNBC. I give them all the same respect and credit whenever an issue arises that corresponds with something I'm concerned about. I do not give FOX "special credence". In this particular instance, they were the only station that I know of who reported the story (perhaps because in this instance it happened to be a conservative-oriented story that people such as KELLY GREENWELL hate, and that liberal stations won't carry) but there it was, and unless you are accusing FOX of lying, I don't see the reason for your hysterics which are based upon little more than a story that happened years ago.
RE: Taliban Coming to Hawaii? - missydog1 - 07-08-2009
um. not hysterical. I just think it's entertaining in a pathetic way how badly FOX can mangle a story, as I have seen many times, and gave a local example. I am not nitpicking or upset. I just see them as not too accurate. It was the only news station centipede mentioned in the post, and he found what they said alarming ... and I was jokingly saying I wouldn't get too worked about it if it's just that network.
*have had to teach my mom on the mainland to ignore FOX stories on Hawai'i, as they often scare her*
RE: Taliban Coming to Hawaii? - centipede - 07-08-2009
Nothing alarming, KathyH, but it does seem that FOX was the only station to cover the story because there are a lot of people such as KELLY GREENWELL who want Americans to believe that Gitmo is mostly full of poor little lambs who lost their way. Again, if you think FOX made the story up, or "mangled" it, why haven't the other networks addressed the issue, or why haven't they reported the story in a way that's up to your standards?
RE: Taliban Coming to Hawaii? - missydog1 - 07-08-2009
Never mind, centipede, you don't seem to understand that I'm not as serious about this as you are. Carry on ...
RE: Taliban Coming to Hawaii? - Greg - 07-09-2009
The US Government wouldn't victimize someone who is innocent.[
]They certainly wouldn't take advantage of relaxed safeguards to civil liberty[
].Most of these poor nomads probably didn't have picture ID's or good credit. Off with their heads![
]punatoons
RE: Taliban Coming to Hawaii? - centipede - 07-09-2009
I am serious, KathyH, about idiot politicians wanting to free people who are "no more than suspects" and release them in Hawaii.
I went to Google, and this is what I found out about the "suspect" that FOX News reported. Punch in Mullah Abdullah Zakir, and look for the NY Daily News story, which was updated by the Associated Press on 3-11-09. Here are the basic details:
His name was Mullah Abdullah Ghulam Rasoul, which he later changed as noted above. He was Gitmo prisoner #008, and was among 13 prisoners released to the Afghan Government in December 2007 and is now the new Taliban chief in Southern Afghanistan. The following is somewhat confusing, but from what I can make of it, he was captured by the Northern Alliance and they turned him over to the Americans for a bounty. He was captured with a rifle, which he insisted he was forced to carry by the Taliban, and he was also captured with 2 Casio watches similar to those used in al-Qaida bombings. He said he was holding them for a Taliban member who lacked pockets. He ended his case by saying "I want to go back home and join my family and work in my land and help my family". "Lack of evidence". He was "no more than a suspect", Councilman Greenwell.
There were originally 800 "detainees" at Gitmo. 520 were released from custody or transferred to prisons elsewhere in the world. As many as 60 have resurfaced on foreign battlefields.
That leaves 35%, most of whom are still "no more than suspects", and are the people that Congressman Kelly Greenwell wants to bring to Hawaai.
KathyH, this is the kind of reporting that only FOX News covered, and, "flawed" as it may have been to someone in your capacity, it did bring out a bit of truth that people like Congressman Kelly Greenwell don't want people like you to know.
RE: Taliban Coming to Hawaii? - missydog1 - 07-09-2009
centipede, fine, I don't care about this nor am as worried as you are. If you feel the information is good, I am not debating you.
In the nature of fun, I said that Fox news sucks, which is my general opinion of them and if you do not share it, I don't care. Not everyone has to agree with me!
I think if someone wants to just throw that out there, all you need to say is you think it has merit ... I really and truly am not going to engage with this one, whereas there are other Punawebbers who are into the topic.
Just continue the discussion with the folks who have strong opinions on the Greenwell proposal instead of continuing to hammer on me because of my comment about Fox. Forget I said it. Go forth and quote Fox, you'll hear nothing more about it from me. OK?
As for the Taliban, although I consider them to be creeps, we did put them in power in the first place. Am I terribly scared that one of them might be on the island? Not really. If al-Quaida sent a cell here to blow us up I would certainly be concerned, but I don't see that is what's going on. Are you saying that wherever this guy steps off the plane in the world will immediately become a new center of operations or target for terrorists, like if they wanted to target the Big Island they couldn't have already done that? But now because of a relocation we would be the new Gaza Strip? *ducks and covers* *never mind, I don't want to argue this one*
RE: Taliban Coming to Hawaii? - Devany - 07-09-2009
While I totally lean Kathy's direction on this, I have just one question for all of the sensationalists here, WHO says that anyone being released is a member of the Taliban? The whole title of this thread is misleading.
And for what it is worth, Kathy is also right in that the US is who put the Taliban in power. He who laughs last laughs best. Somehow, I do not see Hawaii becoming a haven for terrorists.I welcome any Muslims who would like to come here in a peaceful way, even if they have an unjust arrest record from the war, that would be the war(Iraq) that was unfounded from the beginning.
Aloha au i Hawai`i,
devany
www.myhawaiianhome.blogspot.com
www.eastbaypotters.blogspot.com
RE: Taliban Coming to Hawaii? - ric - 07-09-2009
Ok, the US put the Taliban in power. I think they were hired to guard the roads from Islamabad so that freight haulers could go thru in safety. Then they became an oppressive power. How is that relevant to whether Gitmo prisoners should be released here?
Why is it that when someone has no argument whatsoever, they spout irrelevant facts, bring up old stories that have nothing to do with it, and try to shut down the discussion as if we others too pathetic to debate?
RE: Taliban Coming to Hawaii? - hikatz - 07-09-2009
Devany, you are right the topic heading is very misleading.
The Uighers that Kelly was talking about have nothing to do with the Taliban.
Ghulam Rasoul, Gitmo prisoner 008 is an Afghan citizen (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5898261.ece)
The way Bob and Rob so eloquently stated the facts, I would have thought that would have put minds at ease. But NO, if some of the prisoners are guilty of committing crimes, they all must be guilty.
Just tar everyone with the same brush! This is totally ludicrous, but we live in America, freedom of speech where we can express our opinions and ideas without fear of punishment.
Kathy, agree with you about Fox news, enough said!
I also would not have a problem living next door to a relocated prisoner, as long as he can't access Punaweb and this topic[
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