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RE: Living in a tent on your private property. - missydog1 - 09-10-2009
quote:I don't find anything shocking in what you said in the last paragraph, Bob. Although HOVE is also the other side of the tracks. I have friends there who live in real minimal conditions. For sure it wouldn't fly in the other districts. There are places in South Kona (some may be technically in North Kona district) that are extremely alternative, but I don't think they are temporary while building. I think they're permanently alternative.
This Bill establishes that Puna is that "other side of the tracks".
It never would fly anywhere else.
In spite of all the people who've gravitated to Puna and brought change, some of it upscale, it was allowed to be developed substandard to County standards and that has set the tone. My friend who grew up on Oahu says that in the 70's, people on Oahu heard about Puna as one big land of pot-growers and hippies, wild west.
A lot of people came to Puna because they liked how it was.
Can't have both right side of the tracks and the freedom and leeway to do your own thing, at least to a greater extent than anywhere else in the state.
RE: Living in a tent on your private property. - Bullwinkle - 09-11-2009
"Can't have both right side of the tracks and the freedom and leeway to do your own thing, at least to a greater extent than anywhere else in the state."
Right on the money ... there are choices in Puna:
From a wana be replica of a early (1960's) california suburb ( HPP reminds so much of van nuys 50 years ago same kind of buyer imho) to a canvas tent in the woods or HOVE
That certainly is what attracted me over Maui I have spent enough time in planned unit developments, had my fill of cc&r's - - My brother just being ticketed for putting out his recycle barrel out a day early in O/C ca., My dog not welcome in the condo in Maui, so we built in Puna so the woof could come too. - "we dont need no stinkin rules" grin
Too bad we had to import the road congestion
Aloha
RE: Living in a tent on your private property. - mary blonde - 09-11-2009
I don't see how the Council thinks the "concerns" over Public Safety will be solved with this tent bill. We had people living on our street in HPP in tin shacks for years. It took a whole year of calling the Police for screaming, drinking, fighting, etc.; calling the Health & Building Depts; and getting help from the Neighborhood Watch Community officer to get most of them out. Some still live there because they filed for a building permit in June of 2008. Nothing has been done with the permit to date. No one is checking up on their progress (or lack of). There is still no cesspool or toilets. There is still trash being thrown all over the roads. How the Council thinks the Building & Health Depts. are going to police these permits is beyond me!
mary blonde
RE: Living in a tent on your private property. - mailes - 02-28-2013
My brain is swollen from reading and skimming to try and find out if this bill ever passed.
Can one live on their property in a tent while building?
I called the county, left a message. They said they'd get back to me and they didn't call back today.
RE: Living in a tent on your private property. - Obie - 02-28-2013
NO !!!
RE: Living in a tent on your private property. - mailes - 02-28-2013
What about in a shed? on their property, while their building: with a rented John?
RE: Living in a tent on your private property. - james weatherford - 02-28-2013
Some parts of the building code certainly are open to interpretation.
Other parts are just plain hard to interpret:
"(a) Permits Required. No person, firm, or corporation shall erect, construct, enlarge, alter, repair,
convert, or demolish any building or structure in the County, or cause the same to be done, without first
obtaining a separate building permit for each building or structure from the building official..."
So, before any building can be demolished a building permit must first be obtained? Then, no person or anything else can demolish a building that has no building permit. ...uh wait...
RE: Living in a tent on your private property. - kalakoa - 03-01-2013
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, or a developer, and I don't work for the government.
The crux of the building code is "habitation", which requires an "approved wastewater system". In theory, a port-o-let (or bucket) satisfies this requirement; it's possible that certain self-contained composting toilets would also qualify.
There are specific rules about "unpermitted storage sheds" (600sf ag, 120sf all others) being allowable provided that no "habitation" occurs.
Note also that "wastewater" violations often fall under the jurisdiction of EPA and/or State DoH rather than County, but rest assured they will all work together if necessary.
I haven't consulted a lawyer on the ways in which the "campground" language might be abused, but it's a pretty interesting idea.
RE: Living in a tent on your private property. - MarkP - 03-01-2013
There is often wishful thinking when addressing this topic. One should ignore the whole 600 sf or 120 sf unpermitted shed thing as it specifically excludes living quarters. There is basically no way that the county is going to OK you living on the land without a wastewater system other than the way they do it with 51% of Puna households. They ignore it. Be sure not to ask the county too many questions unless you already know the answers and have some special interest in them knowing your business.
RE: Living in a tent on your private property. - kalakoa - 03-01-2013
Good example of the difference between the "true" answer and the "right" answer. Silly of me to forget.
Reality is: the rules as written do not matter, because County (or State, or the Federales) have the ability to interpret these rules as they see fit, often to your disadvantage, and you simply do not have the resources to argue.
Of course, they are equally quick to wash their hands of anything inconvenient, as in "That's State, we can't touch it," or the famous "It's pre-empted by Federal law, so we'll just ignore it".