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RE: Cannabis Decriminalition - Dave M - 01-07-2010
I apologize, to all, for my vulgar attitude. Not that it's a valid excuse but my Qaurterback had just been knocked outta the game.. [B)] I'll try to post a picture of my badge over on the photo website to clarify my position.. But if someone gonna call someone a liar I think they should be standing up when the say it. I think that's pretty much standard In TX and HI.
Blessings,
dave
"It doesn't mean that much to me.. to mean that much to you." Neil Young
RE: Cannabis Decriminalition - mdd7000 - 01-07-2010
quote:Actually it is three people who died in that crash. One lived but will never walk again and his locker was next to mine and he lived 1 street over. The one that was high was also in the same high school - driving towards them in the other direction. It was 1977.
Originally posted by Dave M
quote:
Originally posted by mdd7000
Every time this subject comes up, the subject is always changed to alcohol by the most vocal of the legalization folks. We aren't talking about alcohol.
BTW, Dave M, you claim to have never seen anyone driving under the influence of weed and you also claim to be an EMT? ...and we can all presume that you are a harmless weed smoking EMT? You are full of it. I lost a few friends in high school to the harmless drug - and they weren't under the influence of anything. The other driver was high - the harmless weed?
So basically you're calling me a liar.. is that your red herring because you can't muster up anything of "merit". Well I'm an EMT and many people here may remember when I came on here in 06 trying to find out if there was work on the BI FOR EMTs. I think your a DRUNK!! I don't believe you lost a friend in High school because he was hit by someone smoking weed I think you made it up for lack of anything to justify your position.
rasman - My point is that the weed that is out there now is nowhere near organic (a natural herb as you call it) because it has been so genetically modified (it is a GMO crop) and a decent percentage of the people on this forum scream about GMO crops from time to time as being bad, evil, dangerous...
If it has a legitimate medicinal use, then let it be grown, sold, taxed and regulated as such. BTW, medicinal THC in pill, spray form and suppositories already exist so why the urgent need to continue to smoke it if you have no medical needs for it?
The answer to this is it's MY RIGHT just like you have a right to be a drunk.. If you want to address the topic with anything of MERIT then do so. If you want to stand by calling me a Liar we'll have to get together next time I'm on the island. (Are you on the BI) As for your accusation of me being high on the ambulance I stopped smoking weed 5 years before I started in EMS. (I've never failed a drug test) I'm a volunteer in very rural area! Regestered EMT.. And I damn sure don't like being called a liarby a drunk keyboard commando that I don't think has the balls to say it to my face.. Your thoughts?
Blessings,
dave
"It doesn't mean that much to me.. to mean that much to you." Neil Young
You don't even live here on the island? Why is this so important to you that you have to resort to name calling and INTERNET threats to try and make your point? Why are you so adamant about making it legal if you claim to not have used it for 5 years before becoming an EMT? You have passed all your drug tests? How nice for you.
Your own statements don't add up.
Why don't you google marijuana accident, etc. terms and see how often it really happens? Sure, it isn't as common as alcohol related deaths, but its still happening, no matter how much denial you are in.
Oh, the part of my reply that is in BOLD, you seem to have missed? I never said I wanted to see casual users jailed. Marijuana is a gateway drug. Who starts out smoking ice and moves on to weed? Who starts out with weed and moves on to ice, crack, heroin, etc.?
I won't bother to reply to any more on this subject. Sorry to disappoint you.
RE: Cannabis Decriminalition - 808blogger - 01-07-2010
I think alcohol is the number gateway drug actually. I know that flies in face of the fight you and Dave are having but that is the actual fact.
RE: Cannabis Decriminalition - mdd7000 - 01-07-2010
I would tend to agree, but this is supposed to be about decriminalization of personal use of marijuana and Hawaii. I wasn't "fighting". Just trying to present some feedback.
RE: Cannabis Decriminalition - Dave M - 01-07-2010
quote:
Originally posted by mdd7000
quote:Actually it is three people who died in that crash. One lived but will never walk again and his locker was next to mine and he lived 1 street over. The one that was high was also in the same high school - driving towards them in the other direction. It was 1977. OK (err biteing his lip) I'm sorry for your loss. I only wish my list of friends that have died, either driving drunk or being hit by a drunk, was so short. But as a Christian, I am truly sorry for your loss at such a young age and I'm sure it has had an effect on your position on this topic..
Originally posted by Dave M
[quote]Originally posted by mdd7000
Every time this subject comes up, the subject is always changed to alcohol by the most vocal of the legalization folks. We aren't talking about alcohol.
BTW, Dave M, you claim to have never seen anyone driving under the influence of weed and you also claim to be an EMT? ...and we can all presume that you are a harmless weed smoking EMT? You are full of it. I lost a few friends in high school to the harmless drug - and they weren't under the influence of anything. The other driver was high - the harmless weed?
So basically you're calling me a liar.. is that your red herring because you can't muster up anything of "merit". Well I'm an EMT and many people here may remember when I came on here in 06 trying to find out if there was work on the BI FOR EMTs. I think your a DRUNK!! I don't believe you lost a friend in High school because he was hit by someone smoking weed I think you made it up for lack of anything to justify your position.
rasman - My point is that the weed that is out there now is nowhere near organic (a natural herb as you call it) because it has been so genetically modified (it is a GMO crop) and a decent percentage of the people on this forum scream about GMO crops from time to time as being bad, evil, dangerous...
If it has a legitimate medicinal use, then let it be grown, sold, taxed and regulated as such. BTW, medicinal THC in pill, spray form and suppositories already exist so why the urgent need to continue to smoke it if you have no medical needs for it?
The answer to this is it's MY RIGHT just like you have a right to be a drunk.. If you want to address the topic with anything of MERIT then do so. If you want to stand by calling me a Liar we'll have to get together next time I'm on the island. (Are you on the BI) As for your accusation of me being high on the ambulance I stopped smoking weed 5 years before I started in EMS. (I've never failed a drug test) I'm a volunteer in very rural area! Regestered EMT.. And I damn sure don't like being called a liarby a drunk keyboard commando that I don't think has the balls to say it to my face.. Your thoughts?
Dave M = Red
Whatever his name is in = Blue
You don't even live here on the island? How's that relevant.. I did live on Kauai and Moloka'i does that make a difference in this discussion? Why is this so important to you that you have to resort to name calling and INTERNET threats to try and make your point? Why did you call me a liar?? Remember, everybody here can read.. Why are you so adamant about making it legal if you claim to not have used it for 5 years before becoming an EMT? Because I know that marijuana is not an addictive drug whereas tobacco and alcohol are. Because I know that the country needs to focus on REAL problems such as Ice, cocaine/crack, heroin, Because I don't like to see my tax dollars being wasted on trivial things just to serve special interest groups. You have passed all your drug tests? How nice for you. Yes people that work in close proximity to narcotics take drug test does that surprise you??? Yes I do serve my community. That's probably something you don't get. LOL.. I also teach Sunday school.
Your own statements don't add up. Very smart of you to say you're not going to reply since you're the one not making since here.. I'll let the readers judge for themselves.. Speaking of reading have you read my original post in that I said I didn't smoke anymore before you started running your fingers on that keyboard your hiding behind?Why don't you google marijuana accident, etc. terms and see how often it really happens? Sure, it isn't as common as alcohol related deaths, (which is legal) but its still happening, no matter how much denial you are in. Thank you for validated my very point, keep up the good work.
Oh, the part of my reply that is in BOLD, you seem to have missed? I never said I wanted to see casual users jailed. I don't really care what you want.. If some one breaks an existing law they should face the consequences.. period. Marijuana is a gateway drug. Now that's an original thought.. Unfortunately you're wrong again in that now the gateway drug is dads liquor cabinet.. Here's a thought maybe you should do a little research before you jump on the internet running your fingers. Who starts out smoking ice and moves on to weed? Who starts out with weed and moves on to ice, crack, heroin, etc.? Umm people that get drunk when they're teenagers.. BTW weed isn't even considered to be cool by teen agers anymore. Like I said a little research would help you in these discussions..
I won't bother to reply to any more on this subject. Sorry to disappoint you. Who's disappointed.. you bring absolutely nothing, of merit, to the discussion. This is a perfect chance to bow out..
Blessings,
dave
"It doesn't mean that much to me.. to mean that much to you." Neil Young
Blessings,
dave
"It doesn't mean that much to me.. to mean that much to you." Neil Young
RE: Cannabis Decriminalition - missydog1 - 01-08-2010
I have no doubt that someone can get befuddled on pot and cause a car accident. On pot alone, you will not see people speeding and recklessly unaware that they are impaired, which is the gift of alcohol. On pot alone, people know they are impaired and are concerned. That doesn't mean they can't still screw up.
Teenagers, who are inexperienced drivers, can get in bad wrecks without any help. But society has elected to put them on the road anyway because we all have to learn.
I do not think marijuana should be criminal; however I think driving on any drug or medication that impairs you shouldn't be done. Kava, vicodin, valium, pot, alcohol, meth, too much coffee or a triple dose of ginseng, whatever. Driving impaired should be a whole separate issue than whether it is a criminal act to use and possess the substance. Guns are legal, and there are certain ways that it's highly illegal to use them. Duh. We believe people are capable of owning a gun without using it to murder someone, but we don't believe people are capable of imbibing a substance without using it to the point that they're a danger to the public? BS. The illegality is all about the profit these days.
There will always be people who make stupid decisions in any area of life you can think of, but the rest of us shouldn't be deprived because of them.
PS. To carry on with my rep as the format nazi on this topic, I'm having a really hard time with this quote within quote within quote action, and the strikeouts. Having colored font is not even helping.
Might I suggest that you simply answer the other person with a brief reference to the point, or if it's really important to show the quote you're addressing, just pick out the salient quote and don't repeat the whole back and forth? It turns into the most awful muddle.
I tried to get through the last couple, and if not that I know from previous topics that Dave is an EMT and that mdd lost friends in a crash, I would have thought mdd is the EMT and it was Dave's friends who died ...
RE: Cannabis Decriminalition - Dave M - 01-08-2010
Thanks Kathy,
Sorry about the befuuddlment. I agree with everything you posted.. I think i've just grown very sour about the whole impaired driving thing, period. The guy that said "I didn't do that" wasn't drunk he was real high. I palpitated him from head to toe he never flinched never complained. Yeah I know shock etc.. but I later found out that he had a broken pelvis and three broken ribs and craked sternum.(sp) When me and my partner, on the run, heard this we just looked at each other and went WOW what was he on? The ER nurse replied the list was to long to imagine. [V][
!]Kathy, weren't you planning to move over to the Kona side? Did you ever get your place sold, make the move? If memory serves, it was a logistical family thing. Anyway, thanks for the rational reply. Stay safe, dave
Blessings,
dave
"It doesn't mean that much to me.. to mean that much to you." Neil Young
RE: Cannabis Decriminalition - force - 01-08-2010
I'm against the drug war in totality. At best it's an ineffective waste of money, and at worst it's a horrible violation of human rights.
And honestly, I don't how anyone can argue to keep any drug illegal while tobacco and alcohol can be bought in any store.
RE: Cannabis Decriminalition - Wao nahele kane - 01-08-2010
I don't smoke the stuff, nor have I used any illegal drug.
IMO...
For every murder and crime committed in the matter of marijuana trafficking, the legislators responsible for this prohibition have or will stand before God and be judged equally for the resulting committed atrocities by virtue of the legislation they approved. I'm certainly glad that I'm not responsible for approving such poorly conceived destructive laws.
Cause and effect is not limited to physics, it applies to every attribute in life and reality is not Black and White, it is the composition of the whole spectrum working in chorus.
Each individual is responsible for their own actions and no person can be their keeper without the equal responsibility therein of all actions thereafter.
E ho'a'o no i pau kuhihewa.
RE: Cannabis Decriminalition - LeeE - 01-08-2010
rasman,
Well said.
This is a hot topic here and I think most folks interested in this issue are already up to speed. Check out previous discussions here concerning cannabis and cannabis prohibition and you'll get a sense of where most of us are on this one.
Here's a few links you may enjoy.
<http://mapinc.org/top100.htm>
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
<leap.org>
Dr. Lester Grinspoons site
<http://www.marijuana-uses.com/learn.html>
Brilliant letter by Dr. Robert J. Melamede Ph.D. Chairman of the Biology Department of the University of Colorado
<http://www.thc-ministry.net/cannabisinfo.htm>