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RE: Adult store - DickWilson - 01-27-2010
I guess I just don't see the connection between someone visiting a adult store and pedophiles. Looks to me like the internet is a more favored location for them. I just left a state where the anti-sex anything crowd used to sit outside adult stores and photograph licenses, like the people going there were some kind of criminals by visiting one. It really tweaks me when people try to impose their "moral standards" on the community at large. The owner of this store is going way beyond any reasonable accommodation to keep minors from being able to view his products. Why can't he just run his business without being persecuted? If there is no market for his products, his business will fail and the community will thereby be protected. If you can't tell your kids, Oh, that's an adult only store, give up.
dick wilson
"Nothing is idiot proof,because idiots are so ingenious!"
RE: Adult store - Bob Orts - 01-27-2010
If the issue of the adult book store at this location is based on being near a school or where children are present and can create a potential pervert interaction by patrons towards those children, shouldn't we also set similar distance requirements for Catholic Churches?
RE: Adult store - John S. Rabi - 01-27-2010
quote:That was a good one Bob! [
Originally posted by Bob Orts
If the issue of the adult book store at this location is based on being near a school or where children are present and can create a potential pervert interaction by patrons towards those children, shouldn't we also set similar distance requirements for Catholic Churches?
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RE: Adult store - Devany - 01-27-2010
Bob... that was the absolute best answer anyone could have given!!! I love it. [
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RE: Adult store - dakine - 01-27-2010
quote:amen!
Originally posted by Bob Orts
shouldn't we also set similar distance requirements for Catholic Churches?
RE: Adult store - csgray - 01-27-2010
I am quoting here from the Big Island Chronicle Blog "The complaint for injunctive relief filed by Shipman asserts that under Keaau Plaza’s lease terms, no sublease can occur without Shipman’s prior written consent, and that immoral or offensive uses are prohibited." It seems to me that "immoral or offensive uses" is awfully vague language without a real legal definition. By some lights every business in that plaza could be deemed "immoral or offensive." My grandmother would have been shocked by all of them.
Claiming this plaza is across the street from the school is a real stretch, it is down the street from the school and across from the community center. Not that it really matters in such a small town, everybody would know about it wherever it was. I don't see how children are even going to know what business a store with totally opaque windows named "private moments" is in unless some adults tell them. It isn't as if they are going to be putting magazine racks full of porn out on the sidewalk. The owner has done everything possible to minimize the visual impact of his business out of respect for the community, and them some people use that against them to argue they must be doing something wrong if they are covering the windows.
I sure wish the people who come out in droves on issues like this would be as activist about things that really negatively impact children: hunger, poverty, physical, emotional, and sexual abuse are far bigger problems than a discrete adults only store.
Carol
RE: Adult store - Chuysmom - 01-27-2010
Very clever, Bob. More than a few devotees would agree with that statement!
Although, if you think because the windows are blacked-out that kids don't know what's in there - you're dead wrong. Kids are the first ones to know what's up.
I do enjoy the banter here, hopefully it stays a friendly debate...
Carrie
"The world is changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it." Galadriel - LOTR
RE: Adult store - Kelena - 01-27-2010
I'm an adult and have done adult things. I don't think that having the "adult" store within proximity to the school is the problem. I don't think that customers of this store will enter it and then lie-in-wait to pounce on minors, nor do I think that store owners and managers will allow minors into the store. No. My objections would be as follows: 1) This is a regressive, backwards-looking business that is completely unnecessary in the internet age, 2) This business cheapens Keaau and makes it a less desireable and less unique place to live and to visit --"adult" stores are the kind of thing you see in seedy areas of the mainland, 3) an "adult" store may address a need and a few desires (I mean --sometimes, you just gotta have Astroglide), but this need should be way down on the list of priorities for Keaau and you can get Astroglide online, 4) We don't want people to rendezvous at an "adult" store in Keaau, when there are so many stunning and less tawdry places to rendezvous in Puna.
Look, I'm all for big black veiny dildoes if that's what the peoople want, but my main objection to this proposed store is that it takes away in a fundamental way one of the things I value most about Hawaii: the romance.
And that will always come first for me.
How about a store that sells nothing but local produce and products, called "Made in Puna"?
I am very much in favor of Astroglide. But I am against this store.
RE: Adult store - John S. Rabi - 01-27-2010
quote:Smart idea! Sex toys made in Puna! [
Originally posted by Glen
How about a store that sells nothing but local produce and products, called "Made in Puna"?
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RE: Adult store - oink - 01-28-2010
quote:It sounds to me like he knew his store was not in compliance with the original lease and was trying to slide under the radar. I support Shipman's right to enforce their lease agreements. If the Shopping Center subleased it, knowing what the shop was going to be, then they should pay damages for moving the shop. If the shop owner was not clear with the shopping center leasing agent, then too bad for the shop owner. I do support ordinances regulating the distance both bars and other adult related establishments can be to schools and churches. Bars and other adult type establishments probably do mainly draw a law abiding clientèle but they also draw a criminal element.
The owner of this store is going way beyond any reasonable accommodation to keep minors from being able to view his products.
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.