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RE: Don't ask/don't tell (cause and effect) - mdd7000 - 01-05-2011
Is hawaiideborah now a member of the elusive PunaWeb operating Committee?
It seems so since she is now telling people who can say what and when on various threads?
Just wondering. [?]
RE: Don't ask/don't tell (cause and effect) - kalama boy - 01-05-2011
Oink, well said.
hawaiideborah, It remains to be seen if the numbers you site will hold up over time, if not morale, retention and recruitment rates may go down and I just started my 28th year of military service, thank you for asking.
I'm not sure what you would like me to fess up to I am merly looking to discuss an important current affairs issue.
As I mentioned earlier, because of the repeal and its current status numerous new rules, regulations and scenarios are being discussed and crafted now, to be in place when the order comes down. I can assure you of that. One of them is the one I focused on with this post.
mauka, I hear your point and understand your feelings but with all due respect sir, this is not just about you. What about all of the people who may have a sincere but different view of things?
Question mauka, If a happily married man that you knew had no desires for another woman asked to be placed in a berthing area with all women, even though he had no intentions of doing anything, would you be ok with that? That would never happen in the military because the women would be uncomfortable even without physical contact. Would not the same hold true for a gay man berthed with 30 other heterosexual males? Would they not be allowed to have those same feelings?
And hawaiideborah, in over 27 years in the military I have never had to answer an anonymously given set of questions regarding all types of scenarios of homosexuality in the military,.....I guess there is always tomorrow (are you sure that’s not the Canadian military).
RE: Don't ask/don't tell (cause and effect) - mdd7000 - 01-05-2011
quote:
Originally posted by hawaiideborah
quote:when did I tell anyone who could say what or when?
Originally posted by mdd7000
Is hawaiideborah now a member of the elusive PunaWeb Operating Committee?
It seems so since she is now telling people who can say what and when on various threads?
Just wondering. [?]
Have no idea what you are talking about.
hawaiideborah
quote:
Originally posted by hawaiideborah
for someone who said he is not going to post on this thread anymore, you sure have posted a lot since you said you would stop.
hawaiideborah
quote:
Originally posted by hawaiideborah
Grow up or go to another site where trying to one up each other is accepted.
hawaiideborah
quote:
Originally posted by hawaiideborah
I asked why you were asking such a controversial question in a forum that was for Puna and Hawaii. I did not call you any names or bully you in any way.
hawaiideborah
Really?
RE: Don't ask/don't tell (cause and effect) - KeaauRich - 01-05-2011
As a gay man, I think all of this speculation about gay soldiers attempting to seduce straight soldiers, fear of sharing showers,requiring public disclosure of sexuality, creating separate residence facilities, etc. is just crazy talk. It's my understanding and/or assumption that the military (like every other employer) has rules and regulations about sexual harassment. If a gay soldier crosses the line, he gets discharged. As for straights being uncomfortable with gay brothers and sisters in arms (no pun intended), I'm sure straight soldiers, like all other workers, are sometimes obligated to work with people they don't like, don't respect, don't agree with, etc. I'm sure some gays won't like some straights either. And the solution in the military, like everywhere else, is "get over it and do your damn job!" The idea of gay men being unable to control themselves when seeing other naked men in showers or bunks is absurd...do straight doctors of both sexes have to hold themselves back when conducting physical exams or surgeries on naked patients of the opposite sex??? And finally, I find the idea of "recruiting" to be an interesting concept -- as if gay people have a mission to convert as many straights as possible to our team. Besides, why should straight men recruits feel any more threatened or disgusted by an expression of interest than I do on the many (yes, trust me, there have been many...) occasions when straight women have expressed an interest in me? Yes, a soldier may indicate interest in another soldier (male to female, or same sex), but if there isn't a sexual orientation match, things are not going to go very far. And, as I mentioned earlier, if the pursuer crosses a line, disciplinary consequences already in place should suffice.
Gays have been in the military as long as humans have been throwing rocks at each other, and the experience in many of our modern day allies forces is that gays and straights can co-exist and fight together effectively. There will be many areas that need to be ironed out (like survivor benefits for the partners of gay soldiers...), but all the "dropped soap in the showers" fears should be the least of our worries. I have tremendous respect for the brave men and women of our armed forces, and I firmly believe that at the end of the day, this change in policy will have as many negative repercussions as the February tsunami. (Do I get extra credit for wrapping in the Hawaii reference???)
RE: Don't ask/don't tell (cause and effect) - Guest - 01-05-2011
MDD7000,
call em like you see them, and you did well.
The Lack
The Lack Toons
RE: Don't ask/don't tell (cause and effect) - Bullwinkle - 01-06-2011
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia
Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards lesbian, gay, bisexual, queer, and in some cases transgender and intersex people. Definitions refer variably to antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and irrational fear.[1][2][3] Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination[1][2] and violence on the basis of a perceived non-heterosexual orientation. In a 1998 address, author, activist, and civil rights leader Coretta Scott King stated that "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood."[4]
see any similarities to the racist rants?
RE: Don't ask/don't tell (cause and effect) - Bullwinkle - 01-06-2011
YES, and also see the similarity in those who are on each side of the argument
funny
some of us still believe that if one is not part of the solution, they are the problem
Aloha
RE: Don't ask/don't tell (cause and effect) - Guest - 01-06-2011
Amen, brother. I love what keaaurich had to say.
RE: Don't ask/don't tell (cause and effect) - oink - 01-06-2011
quote:Actually yes, although I'm surprised you would bring it up. I hesitate to name names but wouldn't that include you, Mauka, hawaiideborah and maybe some others, to a lesser degree.
Originally posted by Bullwinkle: see any similarities to the racist rants?
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
RE: Don't ask/don't tell (cause and effect) - TheodoreJay - 01-06-2011
I predict that the repeal of DADT will be a non event. All soldiers will still be subject to the same rules of conduct. If a gay man were to harass a fellow straight soldier that will still be a grounds for discipline or worse case court marshal. The typical gay man/women in the military will just want to remain anonymous as before and now they won't be kicked out by someone divulging their private lives out of revenge or just plain pettiness. Also, the military will be able to retain some really qualified and capable people that just happen to be gay. Additionally the military police can focus on real problems like drug abusers, turn coats, and real security risks instead of being bedroom police.