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RE: We Support TMT - Please sign the petition - opihikao - 05-14-2015
Dakine, I hear you, and understand your position, most of which I tend to agree with. I was just pointing out that some Hawaiian nationals were not of kanaka maoli blood, but served the Kingdom and some signed the Ku'e petition. The descendants of the ka po'e haole (incl. Chinese, Japanese, etc.) Hawaiian nationals may want to be part of the resolution/reparation for the wrong done to their ohana, too. Rightfully so.
Rice vs. Cayetano was really a sign of the times, indeed. (Apoologies for O/T). Just wish more non-Hawaiians would vote for the OHA races given the ruling of the case.
JMO.
RE: We Support TMT - Please sign the petition - PaulW - 05-14-2015
"many less aggressive cultures, of which the Hawaiians have been a part"
Tell that to Captain Cook!
If you ask 20% of the population whether they want to have the land of the other 80%, then you can already guess the outcome.
I wonder what the Japanese-Hawaiians, many of whom have been here for over a hundred years, would think of this.
RE: We Support TMT - Please sign the petition - Guest - 05-14-2015
On August 21, 1959, in a free and fair election, the people of Hawaii voted to join the union of the United States of America. All claims of royalty to the Hawaiian Islands were abrogated by that act. A surplus of unemployed lawyers does not change that.
Between the years of 1861-1865, a Civil War was fought on the mainland over the issue of the right of states to secede from the Union. Almost a million people were killed and the SE USA was devastated and left in ruins. Secession lost. People who talk of secession know not of what they are messing with.
That is called reality. Reality is, by definition, that which we may have issues with but which cannot be changed.
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You can't fix Samsara.
RE: We Support TMT - Please sign the petition - kalakoa - 05-14-2015
August 21, 1959, in a free and fair election, the people of Hawaii voted to join the union of the United States of America
Did they get what they were promised?
RE: We Support TMT - Please sign the petition - opihikao - 05-14-2015
FYI: OHA Trustee Peter Apo Addresses TMT
The Last Telescope
I write this in a state of anguish for I know not how to reach out to the protectors of Mauna Kea, staunch in their beliefs and committed to their uncompromising sense of outrage toward the further incursion into the sanctified spaces of Mauna Kea.
Now that the Legislature has adjourned I fully expect that the governor will now turn his attention to ramping up engagement of all the major stakeholders in a search for some compromise that, however elusive, will forge a way forward so that both protectors and telescope advocates can emerge with a shared sense of righteousness that allows both to step into the future with their belief systems intact and together embrace the wonderment of the mountain and her majesty as one of the world’s great places.
My anguish lies in my frustration that I want to argue both sides of the equation.
(*Snipped more at link)
http://www.civilbeat.com/2015/05/peter-apo-the-last-telescope/
RE: We Support TMT - Please sign the petition - Wao nahele kane - 05-14-2015
"on the subject of negotiating a settlement for the wrongful overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom"
Negotiations require two or more parties, you fantasize your side of the missing table to be negotiating with whom precisely? It appears the opposite side of that missing negotiating table is vacant.
The United States has recognized only indigenous Native status and that isn't related to the perceived Kingdom matter.
The only negotiation table that exists and has anyone sitting at the other side is the one with the Department of the Interior and it has nothing to do with reparations for an overthrown Kingdom. If you don't care to go to that one, then there's nothing to negotiate.
RE: We Support TMT - Please sign the petition - opihikao - 05-14-2015
FYI: (*Snipped - More at link)
Confronting the haole attitude towards aloha ‘âina
I will start off by saying I’m not indigenous to the islands, I’m not born and raised in Hawai‘i, I’m not even residing there right now, but on the pro-TMT side, it is those that are as well neither Kanaka Maoli nor long-term residents of Hawai‘i, who are the most self-righteous in their arguments for the construction. There is a certain fact they have no respect for or just refuse to understand.
I want to talk about the haole attitude in the pro-TMT debate. Take a look at the racist e-mail and non-apologies that came out of UC Berkeley and the astronomy community, defending their usually so harmless science as the sudden “bad guy” in this debate, when all they want is to see light years away to find the earth’s origins. In doing so, they silence the voice of Hawaiians, who state their origins from the coming together of the Earth Mother Papahânaumoku and the Sky Father Wâkea as their first-born Mauna Kea. I want to talk about those who believe this is about going “back to the roots” and doing away with all technology, those who scoff at the mention of “sacred” and “spiritual”, and interpret it as “anti-science” and “anti-progress” to make a mockery of it.
There is no separating the TMT construction, sovereignty, and Hawaiian cultural beliefs. The culture and the people are all a part of the ‘âina, and the rightful indigenous custodians of the land have been replaced by American legalities. Consequently, calls for decolonization of the land, of the people, of the mind, are all a part of this. This means that no matter how many generations settler colonists have been living in Hawai‘i, this is about the people who were there first and who have had their homelands taken away from them and their rights denied.
Extensive article:
https://sacredmaunakea.wordpress.com/2015/05/14/944/
P.S. Please don't throw snow balls; just posting various opinions on this TMT matter.
JMO.
ETA: Changed tomatoes (not rotten ones) to snow balls to avoid fraying nerves unintentionally. lol...
RE: We Support TMT - Please sign the petition - PunaMauka2 - 05-14-2015
Sirs and Mesdames "sacredmaunakea",
condensed version: what a divisive crock of exceptionalism fantasy play drenched in visions of racist social stratification, hereditary special privilege, and mountains of obtuse double standard.
admirable candor when on one side, rotten tomatoes when on the other ...i get it.
JMO --- makes it all ok.
RE: We Support TMT - Please sign the petition - kalakoa - 05-14-2015
racist social stratification, hereditary special privilege, and mountains of obtuse double standard
Wait, are we talking County government here?
RE: We Support TMT - Please sign the petition - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 05-14-2015
Wait, are we talking County government here?
Be careful, you're walking on the thin ice of Lake Waiau.
County government is sacred, to county workers. Allow me to translate:
Racist social stratification = the chosen few
Hereditary special privilege = county hiring practices
Mountains of obtuse double standard = the separation between Hilo & Kona, by Mauna Loa & Mauna Kea