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RE: Alleged voter fraud follow up - Obie - 10-26-2014

Pretty much proves my point that KathyH is vindictive and has a vendetta going.You got that email from KathyH.

At the time KathyH and Tiffany were friends and partners in legal actions against a certain poster on Punaonline.

It had to do with posting pornographic cartoons.I believe most people would have reacted in the same way!!


RE: Alleged voter fraud follow up - kalakoa - 10-26-2014

And I know Pele is taking care of all of it. I don't have to do a thing.

Then how about ... don't. Your work is done here.



RE: Alleged voter fraud follow up - snorkle - 10-26-2014

Obie is correct.

Tiffany defends Kathy;
" You all cheered for another woman to be tormented and harassed for much longer than that."

Then for whatever reason, Kathy goes all Judas on Tiff(which for what it's worth, is less violent than going all RJ on someone)

But hey, It's all about integrity, right?


RE: Alleged voter fraud follow up - missydog1 - 10-26-2014

quote:
Originally posted by snorkle

Obie is correct.

Tiffany defends Kathy;
" You all cheered for another woman to be tormented and harassed for much longer than that."

Then for whatever reason, Kathy goes all Judas on Tiff(which for what it's worth, is less violent than going all RJ on someone)

But hey, It's all about integrity, right?

I don't think my past relationship with Tiffany should be the focus here, but as you and Obie are trying to make it so -- know that I did not go all Judas on Tiffany as you suggest.

Tiffany was not on my side or fighting with me. She met me as part of doing a story. Unfortunately, she charged into the story without any thought of how her injection of herself and demands would escalate harassment against me. She did not consult me at any time before injecting herself in these ways. She did not offer to be a team with me.

Only after she alienated everyone and herself became the target of cartoons for doing so, then she emailed me and said that now it had happened to her she could feel sympathetic at last. She had knowledge of it for 10-11 months before expressing sympathy.

Once it happened to her, she made the story all about her harassment, filed a lawsuit without any dialogue with me as to how we could work together, and used me as her support staff. She also made me feel as if it was my fault she was going through it, and I fell into the trap of feeling like I owed her any and all support I could give her. But she was the one who called certain people at home and screamed at them, not me. I would never do that.

Her lawsuit did not in any way protect me, in fact it left me as the "safe" one to harass and that has been ongoing for almost four years. I never received any real help of any kind, although I received various promises that were not kept.

Once she had protected herself, she cut me off and never offered sympathy again, including for the blowback I experienced from her getting her judgment.

I do not dessert and betray people who are there for me. I am very loyal. She never cared about me, and that is her right, and I accepted that a long time ago and got over it. I don't feel vengeful. She had her own cross to bear from stirring up the hornet's nest, and I am genuinely sorry she went through that.

I never would have said anything about this were people not taunting me with taking from her and being disloyal. I would never have given an opinion on her publically had she not decided she was running for office.

Tiffany takes care of herself. That is what she does. She's not a good person to elect to care of others.

You should take a look at her campaign disclosure that is on view for the public at the Elections office. It tells quite a story.

Ed to add, regarding that line you quoted snorkle, I doubt you have any clue what was going on at the time or how long we were into the process. But she is using me right there to make HER accusations stronger against the people she is mad at, and that is all I ever was. My experience was useful to her to show a broader pattern, but she never tried to become my friend.

In fact, when she got her friend at Hawai'i Reporter to write up her harassment case, the story was about a blogger getting harassed and suing over it, and somewhere buried in the story was a tiny note that there was "a woman" who was harassed before her, just enough mention to explain how Tiffany got mixed up in it. And the story also used my name in that line, without the reporter ever contacting me or asking me how I felt about being in it. Tiffany just gave him my name and never asked either, which is certainly not the behavior of a friend who is trying to help me out.
Kathy


RE: Alleged voter fraud follow up - Obie - 10-26-2014

This is so sad, a woman scorned !!!


quote:
Originally posted by KathyH

quote:
Originally posted by snorkle

Obie is correct.

Tiffany defends Kathy;
" You all cheered for another woman to be tormented and harassed for much longer than that."

Then for whatever reason, Kathy goes all Judas on Tiff(which for what it's worth, is less violent than going all RJ on someone)

But hey, It's all about integrity, right?

I don't think my past relationship with Tiffany should be the focus here, but as you and Obie are trying to make it so -- know that I did not go all Judas on Tiffany as you suggest.

Tiffany was not on my side or fighting with me. She met me as part of doing a story. Unfortunately, she charged into the story without any thought of how her injection of herself and demands would escalate harassment against me. She did not consult me at any time before injecting herself in these ways. She did not offer to be a team with me.

Only after she alienated everyone and herself became the target of cartoons for doing so, then she emailed me and said that now it had happened to her she could feel sympathetic at last. She had knowledge of it for 10-11 months before expressing sympathy.

Once it happened to her, she made the story all about her harassment, filed a lawsuit without any dialogue with me as to how we could work together, and used me as her support staff. She also made me feel as if it was my fault she was going through it, and I fell into the trap of feeling like I owed her any and all support I could give her. But she was the one who called certain people at home and screamed at them, not me. I would never do that.

Her lawsuit did not in any way protect me, in fact it left me as the "safe" one to harass and that has been ongoing for almost four years. I never received any real help of any kind, although I received various promises that were not kept.

Once she had protected herself, she cut me off and never offered sympathy again, including for the blowback I experienced from her getting her judgment.

I do not dessert and betray people who are there for me. I am very loyal. She never cared about me, and that is her right, and I accepted that a long time ago and got over it. I don't feel vengeful. She had her own cross to bear from stirring up the hornet's nest, and I am genuinely sorry she went through that.

I never would have said anything about this were people not taunting me with taking from her and being disloyal. I would never have given an opinion on her publically had she not decided she was running for office.

Tiffany takes care of herself. That is what she does. She's not a good person to elect to care of others.

You should take a look at her campaign disclosure that is on view for the public at the Elections office. It tells quite a story.

Ed to add, regarding that line you quoted snorkle, I doubt you have any clue what was going on at the time or how long we were into the process. But she is using me right there to make HER accusations stronger against the people she is mad at, and that is all I ever was. My experience was useful to her to show a broader pattern, but she never tried to become my friend.

In fact, when she got her friend at Hawai'i Reporter to write up her harassment case, the story was about a blogger getting harassed and suing over it, and somewhere buried in the story was a tiny note that there was "a woman" who was harassed before her, just enough mention to explain how Tiffany got mixed up in it. And the story also used my name in that line, without the reporter ever contacting me or asking me how I felt about being in it. Tiffany just gave him my name and never asked either, which is certainly not the behavior of a friend who is trying to help me out.
Kathy




RE: Alleged voter fraud follow up - Guest - 10-26-2014

Obie quote:"You got that email from KathyH".


Sure I got it from Kathy. So what? What are you the master of the obvious? If I got it from the Pope what would it matter? Tiffany wrote it or she didn't. She communicated these thoughts or she didn't. It is a copy of a post proving what an unbalanced, spiteful woman Tiffany is. IMO. Doctor Jekel and Mr. Hyde.


Obie quote:"It had to do with posting pornographic cartoons.I believe most people would have reacted in the same way!!"


These people,"*********/Emery/Kapohocat", and many others, were warned by Tiffany not go into her husband's store and not to go to her candidate forum. What's that about? This is another example that proves Tiffany could not handle public office. IMO. She just doesn't have good judgement. How is she going to get along with Ilagon when she dogged the man to death? Like I said if Tiffany gets in office it will be nothing but confusion, drama and cronyism.

Obie quote:"Pretty much proves my point that KathyH is vindictive and has a vendetta going."

Some people, every time we make something happen, say it's a 'vendetta'. This means anytime we have anything to say about 'Tiffany', 'Graham' 'Senator Ruderman' or any of the clique, it's a vendetta. Is that suppose to make the facts go away? Poof, disappear?

Why don't you go and tell that to the police? I think you should call the police department and then call the press, and ask them, how they could be persuaded, by us, to write these stories, when it is just a 'vendetta'.

Obie, maybe it is not a vendetta maybe we just have a bone to pick.



RE: Alleged voter fraud follow up - Obie - 10-26-2014

I had to quote this post to preserve it to back up the screenshot I have.


quote:
Originally posted by Sativa

Obie quote:"You got that email from KathyH".


Sure I got it from Kathy. So what? What are you the master of the obvious? If I got it from the Pope what would it matter? Tiffany wrote it or she didn't. She communicated these thoughts or she didn't. It is a copy of a post proving what an unbalanced, spiteful woman Tiffany is. IMO. Doctor Jekel and Mr. Hyde.


Obie quote:"It had to do with posting pornographic cartoons.I believe most people would have reacted in the same way!!"


These people,"Cathy Dumond/Emery/Kapohocat", and many others, were warned by Tiffany not go into her husband's store and not to go to her candidate forum. What's that about? This is another example that proves Tiffany could not handle public office. IMO. She just doesn't have good judgement. How is she going to get along with Ilagon when she dogged the man to death? Like I said if Tiffany gets in office it will be nothing but confusion, drama and cronyism.

Obie quote:"Pretty much proves my point that KathyH is vindictive and has a vendetta going."

Some people, every time we make something happen, say it's a 'vendetta'. This means anytime we have anything to say about 'Tiffany', 'Graham' 'Senator Ruderman' or any of the clique, it's a vendetta. Is that suppose to make the facts go away? Poof, disappear?

Why don't you go and tell that to the police? I think you should call the police department and then call the press, and ask them, how they could be persuaded, by us, to write these stories, when it is just a 'vendetta'.

Obie, maybe it is not a vendetta maybe we just have a bone to pick.





RE: Alleged voter fraud follow up - Guest - 10-26-2014

I don't care. Post it a hundred times if you would like. Good nite.


RE: Alleged voter fraud follow up - missydog1 - 10-26-2014

No idea what Obie is going on about. RJ and Sativa never saw that other Puna site and never saw the cartoons on the other site. They were curious about it so. I sent them a few archived posts.

IIRC, there is a topic started by Obie telling all his friends to go to Kona in person to oppose Tiffany in her move to block the skate shop zoning change. Now he is dogging me for encouraging people to oppose Tiffany. Life is full of irony.

Kathy


RE: Alleged voter fraud follow up - damien007 - 10-26-2014

First let's start by giving Criminal Investigative Section "Captain"(Robert) Wagner his due rank!

Then let's try to put this into perspective: Why would an individual(s), who reported allegations of a crime, write statements in public forums that basically state "wait till is all comes out" and then elude to having to wait for permission from the police to provide further public information, when as stated, the information given to the police comes from the public domain to begin with!

Does that sound right to you?

I have no "bones to pick" here on any side(s). But I do offer an observation/suggestion.

Some like to boast about what they know, or think they know, then capture the interest of others by stating how serious this issue is. Instead of letting the process run it course, their lack of patience gets the better of them and get offended when others challenge their individual belief that a crime has been committed and the individual they identified committed it, instead of remaining vigilant and silent until authorities make it publicly known one way or another. Reasons complainant's do this is they want others to know that they were the one(s) to bring the allegations forward. In other words, its all about them! At times they forget the very reason they brought it forward to begin with and want to tell others their opinions such as how Det. Grant Todd is a very good officer, why they identify the investigating officer at all, proves my point that the issue(S) is really about themselves.

Think about it, until an individual is charged, and later convicted, most of this discussion is self-serving!