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RE: Pittbulls - It finally happened to me - Kapohocat - 10-23-2012
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Originally posted by hawaiideborah...Training the dogs is a great idea, but a fence is better.[]
Yes, you are right.
Good fences make good neighbors - Robert Frost.
RE: Pittbulls - It finally happened to me - DanielP - 10-23-2012
Sounds like mailes has bowed out, But I would advise to move out or deal with never-ending, life destroying conflict with this neighbor. Lotsa dangerous attitude held by many local "men", especially towards women. Walk away. Unless you wanna stoop down to the level of shootin' the owner. NOT a suggestion.
Many folks in Puna just don't understand the levels of "street" mentality.
RE: Pittbulls - It finally happened to me - Bullwinkle - 10-24-2012
Good relevant read - seems like Florida has had enough..... and this lady does not agree .... tough call
http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/sections/news/features/new-master%E2%80%99s-program-focuses-animal-law.html
RE: Pittbulls - It finally happened to me - Carey - 10-24-2012
Mailes, the system on-island works much better if you get names (of the dispatcher, police officers, Humane Society workers- anyone you have talked to & seen) AND REPORT - back to their bosses AND to the media.... EVEN this forum is watched by many of the officials.... if you need media contacts, email me...
DanielP - The problem with moving is you will NEVER know for sure who will move in right after you move....and that pins the solution to always moving away from a problem...NOT IN ENFORCING THE LAWS...
And when do you move??? Before the attack???? probably not....although sometimes these things are a part of an escalation, if a dog attacks, that DOG & OWNER should be dealt with immediately....
If a dog (and owner) are allowed to attack, they will think nothing of it... & the cycle may continue with the next owner/renter of the place you move from...
Some of you may remember the attack in Leilani where Luna & her owner were attacked and injured (both needing stitches...and still shaken & not as trusting) The police were as non-committal in that incidence as in this recent event...http://www.punaweb.org/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13996
I would say that it is well past time to cure our police of their lassie faire attitude....IT IS AN ELECTION YEAR.... what are the candidates attitudes? CALL THEM & POLICE CHIEF HARRY KUBOJIRI... ASK THEM WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS....& CONTACT THE MEDIA...believe it or not, they can be a great lever for social justice....
IF each of us contacts them, I am sure that their will be some official discussions.... if you read this & do not, your voice is not heard (and you are agreeing that this should & can happen again & again....that is how the system works....
RE: Pittbulls - It finally happened to me - Rob Tucker - 10-24-2012
A lot of this pit bull/dog problem in Puna is based on the piss poor record of the police department in dealing with burglaries. With no confidence in the police to respond, much less catch and do sufficient investigative work to convict, residents feel compelled to defend their homes and property with dogs...often more than one.
I personally believe our burglaries are the work of a small number of families, scattered around the subdivisions, who steal with near impunity.
If we had a competent police leadership and if the Mayor would allocate resources to Puna in some proportion to it's population the
issue might just recede.... not to mention more criminals in jail. I do think we have some good officers, more than not... it's the leadership that's lacking.
RE: Pittbulls - It finally happened to me - Bullwinkle - 10-24-2012
One needs both - a fence and have enough control over the animal to keep them out of harms way - cars and strangers can both be lethal.
As to barking - that's about as acceptable as lifting a leg on the furniture.....
Good dogs are hard to come by
It works both ways - grin
RE: Pittbulls - It finally happened to me - Guest - 10-24-2012
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Originally posted by hawaiideborah
As far as I am concerned, the only way to keep other people, other animals and my own dogs safe is a secure fence that the dogs can not get over, under or around. If you have your dogs fenced everyone is safe....then the only problem is the barking[]
Well until your dog gets out or you take it for a walk. Proper training and socialization is the only solution. Plenty of secured dogs around here that are downright stupid, aggressive and dangerous. Fencing your dog in or tying it up are not an alternative to training and socialization, they are still dangerous and ignorant to how the world is. People walk by my house all the time, their dogs going bizerk on a leash, completely out of control. Then they ask me how it is that Hank is just lying in the yard off the leash and not barking at everything... Its because I trained and socialized him and he understands that they are not a threat. I have a lot more control of Hank off the leash then most do of their dogs on a leash or behind a fence, let alone off the leash or out. If you think a leash or fence is a substitution for training and socialization, you are wrong and an accident waiting to happen. You will be surprised to find that once your dog is trained and socialized, you wont need a leash or a fence. However that level of personal responsibility is missing from society, so we will continue to have dangerous dogs, on the leash, behind a fence or loose.
“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
RE: Pittbulls - It finally happened to me - csgray - 10-24-2012
Then there are the people who go to places where people frequently walk their dogs and REMOVE THE LEASH as soon as they get there, because "Our dog is friendly."
When dogs are on leash, and some strange dog comes rushing up to them, and their person, they will feel threatened and they will feel like they have to protect their person. It is unfair to unleash your dog off of your own property, especially if you are oblivious to where it is and what it is doing while you take your walk. There is a couple who constantly do this at the end of Maku'u, and their dog is never closer than 50 feet to them. When I ask them to please call their dog, they always give me a song and dance about how their dog is sooo friendly, but it routinely advances on me and my dogs with no friendly waggy tail, but with a lowered head, and a stalking prey stance.
Carol
RE: Pittbulls - It finally happened to me - Guest - 10-24-2012
Again proper training and socialization are the only real solution, you should know this, as I understand your a school teacher. You need to address the problem itself, not just put a bandaid on it and call it a day.
“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
RE: Pittbulls - It finally happened to me - punafish - 10-24-2012
Um, yes, proper training and socialization are necessary. But even letting your "trained and socialized" dogs loose is inconsiderate of people who don't know your dog is trained and socialized, or worse, folks who are afraid of dogs. My dogs love people. But I don't let them loose outside the yard because I respect the feelings of others. The real solution is people having empathy and consideration of people around them.