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RE: When, not If lava crosses 130... - DaVinci - 01-19-2014
Trying to follow the logic here... So Hawaii is ranked one of the safest states in all the land... but somehow it's also grossly negligent when it comes to public safety... And living in the shadow of an active volcano is just as safe as any other "surface" on the planet, (and thinking otherwise is blatant extremism), but at the same time, it's so dangerous that my gracious we need a plan and we need it now.
RE: When, not If lava crosses 130... - Seeb - 01-19-2014
Ignore any rankings because the county cooks the books. like they claim private road mileage in there reporting to the Feds, but do Not count traffic deaths on those roads
RE: When, not If lava crosses 130... - Seeb - 01-19-2014
But there is planning in place. Spent hundreds of hours going to meetings last time around. And spent 5 years trying to get a CERT team up and keep it running in HPP, I got help from a dozen people out of 11,000. Until I had had enough, one of the church groups agreed to take it over.
There was an emergency preparedness fair at the keaau High school last year. Civil Defense and the various teams did a great job on it
RE: When, not If lava crosses 130... - perc - 01-19-2014
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Originally posted by MarkP
I know this is sacrilege but in my book building on an active volcano means you accept the possibility of your property being inundated. In response to the question "What is the county doing about the risk?" they might say "OK, you're right. There is a danger. No more building in Puna." The clamor would be loud and instantaneous that if people want to live there then government should not stop them. As for houses already built, see above. People would have said that 50 years ago too.
Helicopters and boats are fine for immediate evacuation but nobody is going to shell out any cash to ferry punatics back and forth to their now isolated puna shacks. As far as immediate evacuation goes, Kilauea has not had those kinds of explosive eruptions in modern memory. It it does then by all means call out the National Guard, but what seems much more likely is the Puna equivalent of some medicaid patient's calling an ambulance because it is cheaper than a taxi because they really did not face reality. How many decades now has Kilauea been forcing people to relocate?
Course I'm safe here in Eden Roc, right?
yes, we are uphill from the vent system. the smoke from the jungle burning is about to kill me but not lava. [8D]
RE: When, not If lava crosses 130... - VancouverIslander - 01-20-2014
Actually we aren't uphill (check the topo maps). Pu'u'o'o itself peaks out several hundred feet higher. The flats where the lava is flowing starts at around 2200' where the Captain's drive trail comes out down a gradual slope to 1800' where lava is currently breaking out. Eden Roc is mostly lower than 2200 and higher than 1800. It would take some very bad luck for us to see lava flowing into out subdivision, but that's true for everyone.
RE: When, not If lava crosses 130... - Amrita - 01-20-2014
130 was closed both directions a couple of weeks ago due to an accident near the animal shelter. Diverted via Ainaloa. That as of now is the only very very poor alternative [
]. 130 could be closed for many many reasons, wind, power lines down, large earthquake and would be choked in an emergency. It is sad that railroad ave. thru shipman alternative for a trolley and bike path, plus road to be used only in emergency never went anywhere.
RE: When, not If lava crosses 130... - Wao nahele kane - 01-20-2014
quote:
Originally posted by DaVinci
Trying to follow the logic here... So Hawaii is ranked one of the safest states in all the land... but somehow it's also grossly negligent when it comes to public safety... And living in the shadow of an active volcano is just as safe as any other "surface" on the planet, (and thinking otherwise is blatant extremism), but at the same time, it's so dangerous that my gracious we need a plan and we need it now.
Logic? Start with keeping up in the flow of reasoning and leave your logic out of it. First off - "Hawaii is ranked one of the safest states in all the land" then you applied inappropriate reasoning citing "public safety" when in-fact it is not the best in a public safety ranking... it's "natural disasters". Let's read it again as was originally expressed "...Hawaii ranked as among the safest States to live in the United States when it comes to potential natural disasters"
As per the rest of what you wrote... I'd recommend re-reading what I wrote and keep it in context this time and try not to arrange it in a disjointed jumble as you have done above. Don't remove a section from one reply and put into another reply out of context.
If some person writes "the sky is blue and the cat is black" - it's not translated as "the sky is black and the cat is blue".
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RE: When, not If lava crosses 130... - MarkP - 01-20-2014
We are somewhat downhill from where the lava is currently coming out but we are even more sideways. On its way towards us the lava would have ample opportunity and inclination to fall off to the north, towards Pahoa. We are all downhill from Pu'uo'o and of course Mauna Loa.
RE: When, not If lava crosses 130... - terracore - 01-20-2014
quote:
Originally posted by Amrita
130 was closed both directions a couple of weeks ago due to an accident near the animal shelter. Diverted via Ainaloa. That as of now is the only very very poor alternative [
There is another way out through Orchidland that dumps out in Kurtistown just east of the J. Hara store, but... they are private roads for our exclusive use... right?
RE: When, not If lava crosses 130... - kalakoa - 01-20-2014
It occurs to me that County/State haven't even bothered to grade some kind of road via the old Chain of Craters highway, and that this would be a semi-useful evacuation route if the lava did cross 130.
They do seem to have plenty of money for helicopters, though, and they're quick to point out that which roads are "private" and therefore undeserving of public maintenance...
Priorities, anyone?