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RE: Superferry, is it good or bad for Hawaii? - Guest - 12-21-2007
Well it looks like the military is already using the Superferry!
"Our National Guard and Civil Defense will pay the $55 fare per heavy equipment to bring it over, said Adjutant General Lee. "I can bring it in on C-17 but the cost is so much more."
He says the Superferry is the best and fastest way to transport its vehicles to Maui, despite all the controversy that's surrounded the ship.
http://kgmb9.com/main/content/view/2784/40/
I've been suspicious for a long time about the military's roll in this whole Superferry issue.
To think they are already using it just blows my mind.
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Edited by - damon on 12/21/2007 13:00:14
RE: Superferry, is it good or bad for Hawaii? - aikahimomma - 12-21-2007
Damon...they are going to help the folks who need it from the storm damage..are you against that?
RE: Superferry, is it good or bad for Hawaii? - Guest - 12-21-2007
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Damon...they are going to help the folks who need it from the storm damage..are you against that?
I think it's just one more step towards the Superferry becoming the main mode to transport the striker brigade.
... Lehman plans a similar use for HSF, with Stryker Brigade use on a regular basis and daily shuttling of military equipment.
“Why are Hawaii taxpayers paying for a military operation?” Parsons asked. “Stryker brigade is supposed to be transported by C130 aircraft.”
Penniman says she is uncertain what HSF’s plans are for military use.
I've been reading and hearing about this for a long time.
Here is just one article on it.
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RE: Superferry, is it good or bad for Hawaii? - aikahimomma - 12-21-2007
so if that was your families property that had been damaged you would say no, don't come help?
Edited by - aikahimomma on 12/21/2007 13:47:03
Edited by - aikahimomma on 12/21/2007 14:19:05
RE: Superferry, is it good or bad for Hawaii? - Guest - 12-21-2007
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so if that was you families property that had been damaged you would say no, don't come help?
The families didn't have a say in the matter.
The government is ramming the HSF down the Maui folks throat in a smoke screened attempt at winning over a few critics.
There was damage done on ALL THE ISLANDS yet the NATIONAL GUARD IS ONLY GOING TO MAUI???? And using the HSF to do that? The National Guard has so much better things to be doing.
What about all the other islands with damage?
Kona had some pretty bad flood damage... you don't see the National Guard running over to Kona to help out do you?
Trust me on this one... I want the superferry to work out. I just think they are making stupid mistakes along the way.
The main one being that they have ramrodded this project down our throats w/out much say.
Changing laws for a private company....etc.
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Edited by - damon on 12/21/2007 13:58:53
RE: Superferry, is it good or bad for Hawaii? - Guest - 12-21-2007
Original Post by Beachboy:
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....My biggest fear is the main reason the superferry is around. I think their main purpose is to be able to help mobilize & deploy the "Stryker Units" to any of the island it deems necessary.
Beachboy... Have you been reading the same literature I have been? I didn't even read this opening post until now.
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RE: Superferry, is it good or bad for Hawaii? - aikahimomma - 12-21-2007
point taken
i guess sometimes i like to actually trust the process...the guard is going to help some local folks...no conspiracy- just help the neighbors
RE: Superferry, is it good or bad for Hawaii? - Rob Tucker - 12-25-2007
I thought that this Honolulu Star Bulletin article had some interesting informtion on whales and ferries.
http://starbulletin.com/2007/12/24/news/story02.html
RE: Superferry, is it good or bad for Hawaii? - gtill - 12-30-2007
Here in hawaian waters the main whale smasher is the guy who has the whale tour industry cornered. He is a whale foundation leader, a sierra club biggie, yet he continues to smash whales even after killing a child on one of his tours. How can you bang a whale which you,re supposed to be thousands of feet from? Yet he still uses prop driven boats to terrorize his quarry for a tourist thrill ride. He and ships like his are the problem, the whales would like to stay away from ships, but when constantly being chased, they give up fight. Props are the killers. At low speed a whale would slide right off the sf hull but even at low speeds a foundation boat is a killer sharp lines, barnacles and then the guillotine. So here we have capn ahab disguised as robin hood, green power to kill any competition. Mabe sf could run their own discount whale watching and general party round the island trips, get a good reputation, buy off sierra club an mabe earth trust, file a petition and scream about whale watchers with propellors, get em banned, and open up a lot of slips for fishermen who deserve them on all islands!
RE: Superferry, is it good or bad for Hawaii? - Hotzcatz - 01-01-2008
Should we have a poll and see how many people think the SF will survive and for how long? I'm giving it about a 25% chance of not making it through 2008.
Already they have canceled trips between Oahu and Maui due to weather and that isn't one of the difficult routes. These are also fairly normal winter weather conditions with the exception of the persistent rains. I think folks are finding out a few difficulties with the ferry. Apparently the rental car companies won't let their cars go on it so tourists will have to get a new rental on each island and because of that they are just as inclined to fly since it is faster. There are also all sorts of folks who's cars are now stuck on another island since the ferry canceled the return trips. Folks have all sorts of stuff in their cars and don't want to ship it back via YB because they fear the stuff will be gone when their car arrives back in Honolulu. So now they have flown home and are having to do without their car. If I had that problem, I'd take the stuff out of the car, box it up and ship it via G-van on YB and the empty car on YB but that's still a lot of bother.
I could see a passenger ferry service between Ewa Beach and Honolulu and between Hawaii Kai and Honolulu. Don't think they would want to run to the windward sides of the islands though. Ferries could go between Kaunakakai and Lahaina and Manele but these ferries would have to be scheduled so folks would be able to get to and from work and cheap enough that working folks could afford to use them.
Who is the targeted customer of the SF? Tourists?