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RE: Punatics for PGV - Guest - 08-23-2014
pahoated quote:
"SB 2274 is a dead horse, no reason to keep flogging it except Ruderman might be answering more questions about his involvement."
The reason I keep harping on SB2274 is that it is not really dead. I found out, it is just in a coma and in critical condition. Dr. Ruderman has threatened to resurrect this bill. Rumor has it that one of Graham's people, named Michelle?, left Seaview, on or about, 3 weeks ago, to assist Dr. Ruderman in the surgery on the bill to make it all better.
RE: Punatics for PGV - kalakoa - 08-23-2014
SB2274 is that it is not really dead
How about participating in the process by shaping the bill to meet the needs of all constituents, rather than starting a witch-hunt against the process?
RE: Punatics for PGV - Guest - 08-23-2014
pahoated quote:
"There is a video where Ruderman has to argue against his own bill, again, because that geothermal line was added, not by him."
pahoated, can you give me the link? And if Senator Ruderman is arguing about "geothermal resources" being added in one of his other bills how come he didn't argue against that amendment in SB2274?
RE: Punatics for PGV - Guest - 08-23-2014
kalakoa quote:
"How about participating in the process by shaping the bill to meet the needs of all constituents, rather than starting a witch-hunt against the process?"
I would love to get involved in the process yet I was told that my input was not welcomed by Ruderman's office. I was threatened with the police and told I did not understand the bigger picture. Ruderman told me in a recorded phone conversation that "I should watch out making enemies of certain people".
kalakoa, it is hard to warm up with those kinds of comments and actions. Yet I would still like to present some amendments to the bill that my neighborhood could live with but I have been locked out of the process by Ruderman and his staff.
RE: Punatics for PGV - leilanidude - 08-23-2014
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Originally posted by Sativa
Clue... There is a lot of money to be made off the definition 'Geothermal resources'. It includes not just the steam but the brines and gases, as well.
According to 30 USCS ยง 1102 (1), the term geothermal resources means "(A) all products of geothermal processes, embracing indigenous steam, hot water, and brines, (B) steam and other gases, hot water and hot brines, resulting from water, gas, or other fluids artificially introduced into geothermal formations, and © any byproduct derived from them."
Who gets that money? I am getting busy today but later I ready want to research what are some of the more important substances that can be had from the gases, hot water and brines.
remember geothermal sources is very different from geothermal resources.
The correct question is, "Who pays for that money?"
It is the consumer, the taxpayer.
If this democratic/socialist state would stop trying to tax anything and everything, the consumer/taxpayer would be much better off.
RE: Punatics for PGV - leilanidude - 08-23-2014
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Originally posted by pahoated
...Ormat hasn't shown to be an exceptional geothermal power provider, but it was also one of the first geothermal plants, now using fairly dated technology, over 20 years in operation. Ormat should have taken it upon themselves to clear the vegetation away from the mains, as far as feasible. They didn't build the berms they said they would for additional wells. They don't have the technical competence to put lightning arrestors around the plant. They could easily build some kind of containment building over the steam venting section, so the steam releases could go off in there, then be filtered out into the atmosphere. It's obvious Ormat, an Israeli company, does not want to put any more money into the plant than they absolutely have to. It is crappy management but that is the way of a lot of business....
ted - PGV operates one of the most modern plants there is. I don't know where you get the idea that it is using outdated technology? Ormat is selling the technology used here, for new plants all over the world.
They already have a process to filter the vented steam in the event of a shutdown - which negates the negative gasses into harmless gasses. They did that quite effectively in this last steam release.
PGV is not responsible for clearing vegetation (trees) from HELCO's lines - HELCO is. Direct your venting at HELCO.
I have no idea why you are worried about lightning arrestors. Not sure if lightning has ever been an issue there?
So what if Ormat is a foreign company? There are thousands of US owned companies that operate in other countries. Do you wish that those other countries kick those US owned companies out for being "foreign owned"?
RE: Punatics for PGV - lavalava - 08-24-2014
Pro-USA or just anti-semetic?
RE: Punatics for PGV - kalakoa - 08-24-2014
I have been locked out of the process by Ruderman and his staff
Perhaps it is not appropriate for a single subdivision to insist on County-specific language in a State bill which directs County to "create a process"?
Otherwise it's the NIMBY problem, writ large: "we don't want X near our country lifestyle, so people on Maui don't even get to consider the option".
RE: Punatics for PGV - Obie - 08-24-2014
Back to the original topic,the DOH confirms that Petricci and Punapono members are lying:
http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/no-risk-steam-release-doh-says
Time for the prosecutor to step in and put Pakalolo Bob away.
RE: Punatics for PGV - lavalava - 08-24-2014
Paka Bob & Obob. A match made in heaven?