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RE: laws not enforced? - ironyak - 12-19-2014
quote:
Originally posted by Southernmost
Just to make clear: our way if life doesn't include ice use, child abuse/molestation, burglary, robbery, etc, all the really, really bad things. Back in the days there was barely any crime. With the population boom on our island in the late 90's until 2010, approx. 100,000 transplants moved in and so did the crime. (Not saying you're all bad, but with that much people moving in, even a small % of bad apples is way too much for this island.) So we (transplants and locals)do have some common ground. We are against some of the same things.
It's unfortunate to see another example of the long history in the US of blaming the most recent population of immigrants for new woes. Perhaps this is a very common human reaction to an influx of "strangers"... Someone with a broader view of human history have any useful examples?
As we are against some of the same things regarding the health of the community, why try to pin it on a single group of people? Are you saying that locals are not involved with any of the issues you listed?
RE: laws not enforced? - kalakoa - 12-19-2014
Seems like at this unsustainable growth rate, only going get worse.
Yes, and apparently this is intentional.
RE: laws not enforced? - Southernmost - 12-19-2014
I never wanted to leave. I love it here, couldn't see myself anywhere else. Think about it, if everything is changed and our lives turned upside down , we will no longer be comfortable and then we will be going through the same problems that transplants have which I stated. We don't want to live somewhere we can't stand. That's our worst nightmare.
It's really hard to type it out, our way of life, know what I mean?
You gotta experience it, live it, make mistakes and learn, talk, hang out and drink some beers. My guess is and why locals all say 25 years to become kamaaina, is it takes time here. Not isolated, but plenty time spent with the people of the land.
RE: laws not enforced? - Southernmost - 12-19-2014
And ironyak, there was only around 75,000 people here in the early 90's. Most born here. Now 185,000 in 2010? You don't think that amount of increase would cause problems on a island? You pupuli or what? Remember that is only till 2010. So what now, about 235,000?? Auwe
RE: laws not enforced? - ironyak - 12-19-2014
quote:
Originally posted by Southernmost
I never wanted to leave. I love it here, couldn't see myself anywhere else. Think about it, if everything is changed and our lives turned upside down , we will no longer be comfortable and then we will be going through the same problems that transplants have which I stated. We don't want to live somewhere we can't stand. That's our worst nightmare.
It's really hard to type it out, our way of life, know what I mean?
You gotta experience it, live it, make mistakes and learn, talk, hang out and drink some beers. My guess is and why locals all say 25 years to become kamaaina, is it takes time here. Not isolated, but plenty time spent with the people of the land.
Sounds to be an appreciation and understanding gained through experience rather than discussion. A different type of education than is possible in this setting. I can't say that I understand, but I believe I know what you mean.
I would ask your opinion on two controversial topics if you are willing. If these are difficult to put in words, we can leave it at that.
Lava diversion: It has been stated by CD that diversion is not possible due to issues of cultural sensitivity. Why is it sensitive? Why is discussion of the topic heva (spelling ?)
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2014/09/05/video-hawaiians-rebuke-lava-diversion-talk/
Hawaii Kingdom / State: How do you view the history regarding the inclusion/annexation/taking of Hawai'i by the United States? What do you think of the efforts of the Hawaii Kingdom? Does this play a role in the concerns you stated regarding unwanted change?
http://www.hawaiiankingdom.org/
RE: laws not enforced? - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 12-19-2014
Big Island Population Growth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii_%28island%29#Demographics
1900 - 46,843 - —
1910 - 55,382 - 18.2%
1920 - 64,895 - 17.2%
1930 - 73,325 - 13.0%
1940 - 73,276 - 0.1%
1950 - 68,350 - 6.7%
1960 - 61,332 - 10.3%
1970 - 63,468 - 3.5%
1980 - 92,053 - 45.0%
1990 - 120,317 - 30.7%
2000 - 148,677 - 23.6%
2010 - 185,079 - 24.5%
RE: laws not enforced? - ironyak - 12-19-2014
quote:
Originally posted by Southernmost
And ironyak, there was only around 75,000 people here in the early 90's. Most born here. Now 185,000 in 2010? You don't think that amount of increase would cause problems on a island? You pupuli or what? Remember that is only till 2010. So what now, about 235,000?? Auwe
I never said that amount of population increase would not cause problems; I only questioned the notion that the current crimes you mentioned only involve transplants. Do you truly believe this?
As for crime rates as compared to population growth, I would need to look up statistics before making an informed comment on your numbers. I'll opine that with increased population comes increased crime (regardless of the growth being local born or transplant).
If you have a source showing a disproportionate amount of crime is committed by transplants as compared to their percentage of the population, please share.
For a simple exaggerated example regarding the probability issues involved; if you have 9 red balls and 1 green ball in a bag, you are 9 times more likely to have a red one fall out. This does not mean red balls are more prone for falling, just that there are more of them.
RE: laws not enforced? - ironyak - 12-19-2014
quote:
Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
1900 - 46,843 - —
1910 - 55,382 - 18.2%
1920 - 64,895 - 17.2%
1930 - 73,325 - 13.0%
1940 - 73,276 - -0.1%
1950 - 68,350 - -6.7%
1960 - 61,332 - -10.3%
1970 - 63,468 - 3.5%
1980 - 92,053 - 45.0%
1990 - 120,317 - 30.7%
2000 - 148,677 - 23.6%
2010 - 185,079 - 24.5%
Is this census data? For what area? I've guessed at correcting the formatting issues for 1940 - 1960: are these correct? Link to source?
PS I love data so thanks for doing the research!
RE: laws not enforced? - Hualani - 12-19-2014
And during the reign of Kamehameha the great the Big Island
was home to more than 800,000.
Of those- the vast majority were kanaka
albeit the Ali'i were second in population on the Big Island
for the entire monarchy.
quote:
Originally posted by ironyak
quote:
Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
1900 - 46,843 - —
1910 - 55,382 - 18.2%
1920 - 64,895 - 17.2%
1930 - 73,325 - 13.0%
1940 - 73,276 - -0.1%
1950 - 68,350 - -6.7%
1960 - 61,332 - -10.3%
1970 - 63,468 - 3.5%
1980 - 92,053 - 45.0%
1990 - 120,317 - 30.7%
2000 - 148,677 - 23.6%
2010 - 185,079 - 24.5%
Is this census data? For what area? I've guessed at correcting the formatting issues for 1940 - 1960: are these correct? Link to source?
PS I love data so thanks for doing the research!
RE: laws not enforced? - Southernmost - 12-19-2014
I'm not an expert so everyone knows. Could never write about these two things in full because I'd be typing forever. I'll try to make it simple. Respect the native peoples beliefs. Would you destroy someone's soul? When you mess with Pele in any way, that is what they feel. You are taking their soul and disrespecting their ancestor, which in turn brings only more destruction. She is cleansing the land. They believed that before any western house was built here so it's not about cleaning out the people who built up the area.
Hawaiians say respect her, that is all that should be needed to be said. You don't want to cross her even if all that does in your mind is appease the Hawaiians. I know it's really hard, try to feel what they feel.
I don't have time for the sovereignty subject, I suggest you find one kupuna(Hawaiian blooded elder) and kindly ask them how they feel about it. Then ask many more kupuna and that will help you understand. I can say that it is the root of all these things I have been talking about. Ok pau, going play catch with my son. Aloha