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Another question I have about this, does Hawaii even produce enough trash to make this effective.

Are we going to become the dumping grounds for the other islands?

Is the mainland going to be shipping trash to us now if we were to get something like this... geez... I don't even wanna think about that!

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I'm bumping my original post again because this is an important issue.

Where are we going to get the trash from?

Hunter Bishop also asks this question on his blog the other day.

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RE: Waste Incinerator Proposed For NELHA - Nate SC - 12-13-2007

When I hear NELHA refered to as an "enviromentally sensitive area", I just think "bull-snicker-doodle"!
The whole area of NELHA and all the infrastructure in the area is MAN MADE.
If someone were to propose the project being built, say, across from Volcanoes Park or Akaka falls? Now thats a "sensitive" area. NELHA is an industrial area designed and built for industry incubation. I'm not trying to shoot down anyones "call to arms" but "keep it real". Points of view are better delivered without all the rehtoric and "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" talk.
My concerns are based in the mechanics of the operation. The first thing that jumps out at me is the "water filter". They plan to filter spent fuel by exhausting it into standing ponds to grow "algae" for bio-fuel.
For all the individuals not familiar with a water filter, imagine that incinerator is a "bong" and the water is the "filter".
What are you gonna do with the "dirty filter" water after it can no longer hold "slag" in suspension? Imagine a football field sized bong that needs to be cleaned and the water dumped? I'm more concerned where they would dump that concentrated "dirty filter water".
If you dont think that Oahu will start shipping barge loads of trash to Kona to feed this machine your naive. Kona is a straight shot from Oahu and if you think WE have a trash problem, imagine whats going on there. So say you need to make money off this project, are you going to say "no" to cash paying customers from Oahu? Does the County of Hawaii have restrictions against importing trash? Make "no importation" of trash a law in the County and watch the rats scramble away from this project.
Several individuals have made the point that the Big Island might not produce enough trash to sustain the operation. I can see it now, "well, were out of trash to burn on the Big Island, lets help Oahu with their trash problem and send a "few" barge loads over to Kona".

Spectemur Agendo
In regards to "mining" trash, The water vapor content in the mined trash would make it a soggy soupy mess. You would have to dry out the "fuel" before it could be incinerated.

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RE: Waste Incinerator Proposed For NELHA - Aaron S - 12-13-2007

When I refer to NELHA as a environmentally sensitive area, if anything happens to that cold sea water, NELHA is dead in the water.
I'm concerned that this incinerator may impact
this important resource.

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RE: Waste Incinerator Proposed For NELHA - james weatherford - 12-13-2007

Aloha Braddah Nate,

How sweet it is to hear truth spoken to dirty power.

"Does the County of Hawaii have restrictions against importing trash?"

Hawaii County Code
Section 20-36. Refuse removal business; restrictions.
(d) No person, business, Federal or State agency, religious entity or nonprofit organization shall, at any County solid waste facility, dispose of any rubbish, prohibited materials or refuse which has been brought into the County of Hawai‘i as rubbish, prohibited materials or refuse from outside of the County of Hawai‘i. This subsection shall not apply to refuse generated en route in the ordinary course of business by aircraft or maritime


James Weatherford, Ph.D.
15-1888 Hialoa
Hawaiian Paradise Park

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RE: Waste Incinerator Proposed For NELHA - james weatherford - 12-13-2007

...btw: the existing restriction on importing (gagh!) rubbish that does exist in the County Code is an issue that Council Members and the Mayor's Administration are aware of and would rather not discuss, because that would mean someone might expect them to take a position, such as, "Would you favor importing rubbish so that we can import less oil?"


James Weatherford, Ph.D.
15-1888 Hialoa
Hawaiian Paradise Park

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RE: Waste Incinerator Proposed For NELHA - Guest - 12-13-2007

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When I refer to NELHA as a environmentally sensitive area, if anything happens to that cold sea water, NELHA is dead in the water.
I'm concerned that this incinerator may impact
this important resource.

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So what your talking about again is more NIMBY stuff. Do you think that is the only place on the earth to find cold sea water?

Cold sea water can be found all over the world. It's just the glamor of living and working in Hawaii's environment that makes these companies really want to stay here.

How many of those 30 some companies are local companies that have hired a good portion of local people?

Mind you that I'm not real up to date on this, so please educate me further if you can.

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RE: Waste Incinerator Proposed For NELHA - james weatherford - 12-13-2007

...ahem, about that cold sea water...

Not to be too nasty about facts and all that, but check out Hawaii's fastest growing export: bottled desalinated deep sea water from Kona.

Aloha



James Weatherford, Ph.D.
15-1888 Hialoa
Hawaiian Paradise Park

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RE: Waste Incinerator Proposed For NELHA - Scott_S - 12-13-2007

Rob, here is their website. http://www.sysenv.com


Scott

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RE: Waste Incinerator Proposed For NELHA - Guest - 12-13-2007

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...ahem, about that cold sea water...

Not to be too nasty about facts and all that, but check out Hawaii's fastest growing export: bottled desalinated deep sea water from Kona.

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Completely untrue!

.....Until this year the market for 'unsweetened' water was tasting pretty sweet, but sales of the desalinated water have fallen 5% in the first three months of this year. The decline may not indicate a lack of takers on the seawater market, but several other countries are breaking into this latest trend in bottled drinking water.
http://www.pacificspirit.org/news/labels/Bottled%20Deep-sea%20Water.html

I can find some other links but working on another project right now.


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