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RE: Who Is Wally Lau? - Punatic007 - 07-14-2016
quote:
Originally posted by TomK
"Those who strongly support geothermal development in this location are either receiving royalties or have some other financial benefit such as employment which blinds them from making the right/ethical choices."
Good to know that we can narrow things down so quickly. There can't be any other reason, case closed.
I was going to include lack of education and experience however that doesn't seem to apply.
RE: Who Is Wally Lau? - leilanidude - 07-14-2016
quote:
Originally posted by Punatic007
Ted, 1991 was absolutely devastating for lower Puna residents affected by the geothermal accidents. I was directly working with victims/patients everyday during that era for years, at first I thought they were over-reacting hippies and scammers but slowly and surely I learned thru observation and hard facts these folks were harmed and in danger. The location of geothermal on the Big Island was abruptly changed to the Leilani area from the original designated site in Volcanos near the Golf course community. They would have nothing of it and luckily had enough attorneys living in the area to block the development.
Now this heavy industry is employing fracking. Do your research, what area isn't eventually devastated and ruined by fracking? Because of recent lava activity(within 100+ yrs) the underground looks like swiss cheese, lava tubes taking poisoned waters all throughout lower Puna, polluting private and state land from the bottom up.
Bold added.
The fracking statement is a LIE.
RE: Who Is Wally Lau? - opihikao - 07-14-2016
quote:Yes, it is. However, when one believes the rhetoric invoked without any factual basis, it is best to save the energy (no pun intended) one would spend proving facts override social hysteria.
Originally posted by leilanidude
quote:
Originally posted by Punatic007
Ted, 1991 was absolutely devastating for lower Puna residents affected by the geothermal accidents. I was directly working with victims/patients everyday during that era for years, at first I thought they were over-reacting hippies and scammers but slowly and surely I learned thru observation and hard facts these folks were harmed and in danger. The location of geothermal on the Big Island was abruptly changed to the Leilani area from the original designated site in Volcanos near the Golf course community. They would have nothing of it and luckily had enough attorneys living in the area to block the development.
Now this heavy industry is employing fracking. Do your research, what area isn't eventually devastated and ruined by fracking? Because of recent lava activity(within 100+ yrs) the underground looks like swiss cheese, lava tubes taking poisoned waters all throughout lower Puna, polluting private and state land from the bottom up.
Bold added.
The fracking statement is a LIE.
Fracking (new buzz term) is not done in Hawai'i, can not be done in Hawai'i, and will never be done in Hawai'i, specifically with regard to geothermal. Period.
Sorry, O/T. Like to know what Wally Lau thinks about geothermal, especially in Puna. Hope that is one of the questions asked during the next forum.
JMO.
RE: Who Is Wally Lau? - Guest - 07-14-2016
Another word for "fracking" may be "Enhanced", maybe Puna's geothermal is enhanced productions and not fracking? Would someone care to explain the differences, if any?
Good afternoon Opihikao, Great question to ask any or all of our mayor candidates.
I also would like to know what Mr Lau thinks about the heavier geothermal production or industry and its possible health effects operating next or close to residential neighborhoods, both for the short term and long term?
OR, what measures could be taken to protect against possible decreasing home values or increasing health issues due to the areas increased geothermal productions?
Also, I would ask Mr Lau if he knew of, or would approve of, any Geothermal extra resources at times being sent or given to the likes of helco? Especially while puna residents continue to be charged for the resource.
Here is an article that explains how some of these past geothermal production meetings have gone. Only six, Richard Ha being one would testify "for" while 80 plus and hours of testimony would be "opposed". No wonder the county or state did away with home rule concerning things like geothermal,jmo.
http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/sections/news/local-news/geothermal-meeting-gets-heated.html
Why does Richard Ha always bring up oil in comparing geothermal, when hawaii doesn't use much if any oil for island electricity but rather oil is used mainly for state transportation? Does He even live near this geothermal plant?
P.S. Here is another article that shares a few differing comments after the informative article regarding Puna's geothermal operations.
http://cleantechnica.com/2012/04/28/hawaii-residents-raise-serious-concerns-about-pgv-geothermal-energys-clean-energy-credentials/
edited to add link
RE: Who Is Wally Lau? - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-14-2016
hawaii doesn't use much if any oil for island electricity
If not generators powered by fuel oil, what do you think is the major source of electric power on Big Island?
“There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them.”
-Joseph Brodsky
RE: Who Is Wally Lau? - HiloPuna - 07-14-2016
HOTPE
please don't confuse him with the facts....it disrupts his paradigm.
RE: Who Is Wally Lau? - Punatic007 - 07-14-2016
quote:
Originally posted by leilanidude
quote:
Originally posted by Punatic007
Ted, 1991 was absolutely devastating for lower Puna residents affected by the geothermal accidents. I was directly working with victims/patients everyday during that era for years, at first I thought they were over-reacting hippies and scammers but slowly and surely I learned thru observation and hard facts these folks were harmed and in danger. The location of geothermal on the Big Island was abruptly changed to the Leilani area from the original designated site in Volcanos near the Golf course community. They would have nothing of it and luckily had enough attorneys living in the area to block the development.
Now this heavy industry is employing fracking. Do your research, what area isn't eventually devastated and ruined by fracking? Because of recent lava activity(within 100+ yrs) the underground looks like swiss cheese, lava tubes taking poisoned waters all throughout lower Puna, polluting private and state land from the bottom up.
Bold added.
The fracking statement is a LIE.
Not calling it fracking is a LIE.
RE: Who Is Wally Lau? - Guest - 07-14-2016
HOTPE, good evening and thanks for the returned question and or correction. I always have questions too, let me start off by attempting to answer yours.
I would think that the abundance of Wind, solar, hydro, and hundreds of millions of dollars worth of increased geothermal productions could or is producing enough electricity for all Big Island Residents use. Maybe not the added tourism resorts electricity use though. The state knows and has known for years that up to 500 mwatts can be generated or tapped into from lower puna's geothermal volcanic resources and are probably wanting to take advantage of it with today's upgraded geothermal technology and Green stimulus government money. jmo
With possible questionable over sight on this current geothermal's power plants operations, who's to say the current 32 or 38 mwatts said to be being produced, are even legit today?
OR, that extra produced geothermal Resources haven't been given away or part of private deals in the past, or could be in the future?
many folks have and are still buying property and homes around this districts expanding Geothermal industries. Some not even being made aware of the current power plant, or the geothermal expansion increases that are being planned for this district.
Maybe area real estate companies, title companies, and banks should all have to disclose certain area industries and their possible impacts before finalizing potential sales?
Some folks may have thought leilani or nanawale subdivisions would have been an equal Puna investment opportunity like PPark, Kapoho, or Vacationland, until the county or states renewed geothermal expansion intentions?
If some knew in advance or were made aware that certain designated areas would be increasing geothermal industry operations instead of protecting the natural rain forest environment or family traditions. Some may have chosen to work, invest, and raise their families elsewhere. jmo
Some of Puna's Geothermal accidents or mishaps have apparently impacted folks living up to 10 miles away from the power plant.
Maybe the county geothermal relocation program has extended the relocation option to all concerned residents living around the expanding geothermal plant or industries, rather than the original one-mile radius?
RE: Who Is Wally Lau? - HiloPuna - 07-14-2016
This thread is pretty far off the"Who is Wally Lau" rails....I for one will pledge to stop feeding the anti-geothermal Trolls
RE: Who Is Wally Lau? - kalakoa - 07-14-2016
Maybe area real estate companies, title companies, and banks should all have to disclose certain area industries and their possible impacts before finalizing potential sales?
They don't do this for all the other "problems" (private roads, allowable uses of ag zoning, County's indifference, etc), so why should PGV be any different?