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RE: A Suggestion from Jeff Sessions about Hawaii Judge - kalakoa - 04-23-2017
Bomb goes off in Hilo Walmart. Who do you suspect did it ??
Actually, my first thought would be "must have been an accident", because Hilo simply isn't important enough to warrant a terrorist attack.
RE: A Suggestion from Jeff Sessions about Hawaii Judge - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 04-23-2017
my first thought would be "must have been an accident"
Mine too.
Hilo would be an odyssey to the ends of the earth for the feared "fundamental Islamic terrorist." Why travel so far when you can buy a much cheaper ticket to Europe? We need to remember, terrorists work within a budget too. Look at the Toyota pickups they drive around in the desert. Even the worst license expired, uninsured Puna truck would be an upgrade for ISIS.
Now, assuming the terrorists have some frequent flyer miles available to travel all the way to General Lyman International Field to reach their ultimate destination, a Walmart in the Pacific Ocean, how many airports would they have to pass through? How many x-ray screenings? Would they try and fly in with the materials to make an explosive device? Or purchase them here, at the hardware store? Or maybe they'll attack ironically, and buy parts at the Hilo Walmart itself? Of course, once they meet the friendly greeter at the entrance "Aloha!" and see the everyday low prices, they might say to themselves, "this place is not as bad as I was persuaded to believe back at the spider hole, as-salamu alaykum!"
RE: A Suggestion from Jeff Sessions about Hawaii Judge - Eric1600 - 04-23-2017
Rather than speculate about how important this law is using fictional scenarios of bomb-toting-evil-Muslim-immigrants, you can hear Hawaii AG on NPR discuss the topic https://www.npr.org/player/embed/520363973/520363974
And Sessions’ disrespect for the rule of law also mirrors Trump’s belief that the judiciary should serve as his rubber stamp. This is not how the law works, as attractive as it may be to the party in power. His remarks stand in stark contrast to the silence of President Barack Obama’s attorneys general, Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch, when each was forced to fight a similar nationwide injunction against a district court order barring Obama from deferring the deportation of 4 million undocumented immigrants. And during Lynch’s short tenure, she also saw a lone judge block a rule expanding overtime pay; federal guidance protecting trans schoolchildren; and a regulation protecting transgender patients from discrimination.
At no point did Lynch, Holder, or Obama question these judge’s legitimacy or disparage Texas, the state in which all of them sit. Such a comment would’ve undoubtedly provoked outrage on the right—as well it should have. Individual judges can put holds on federal orders, no matter where they live. Yet Sessions’ criticism of Hawaii has been largely met with silence by conservatives. It seems many Republicans believe the lone purpose of the law is to implement their own views at any cost.
RE: A Suggestion from Jeff Sessions about Hawaii Judge - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 04-23-2017
you can hear Hawaii AG on NPR discuss the topic
Thanks Eric1600.
And thanks for your additional comments describing the respect the previous administration held for the judiciary, which is after all the third branch of our government. The judicial branch provides checks and balances which are sometimes sometimes necessary for our government to function properly and legally, even if it's a single judge on an island in the Pacific who raises a question.
It does seem that just a short while ago it was the executive branch that often issued orders protecting the human rights of human beings. Hopefully our judiciary will find itself up to the task, even way out here in the middle of the ocean.
On the fifth day - the scientists who studied the rivers - were forbidden to speak - or to study the rivers. -Jane Hirshfield's poem on creation
RE: A Suggestion from Jeff Sessions about Hawaii Judge - MarkD - 04-23-2017
Re pog’s criticism of other commentators twisting words. (mid p. 3)
Well this is an interesting digression. Most of us are guilty of some rhetorical excess. My contribution on this topic started with an exaggerated rant on immigration. I think we can agree that exaggerations, irrelevancies, presenting opinions as facts, etc. are part of the game (and a thoughtful responder will catch you at it).
Problematic are (deliberate) misrepresentation, personal attacks and ganging up. Seems to be quite a bit of the latter, with some commentators not even advancing ideas but just spouting insults against the outnumbered person. Particularly noticeable on topics like the Mauna Kea telescope.
Continuing exchange with PaulW
My comment: "The dialog...involves a large, vocal group of open border people" Paul: Really? (The group) shouldn't be difficult to identify. Names, please. Hardly anyone is in favor of totally "open borders", as far as I know.
Attached is an article that effectively makes the case
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/02/open-borders_n_5737722.html
Also google “Catholic groups oppose Trump’s wall.” The wall is a central focus; many opponents argue that an enforced border infringes on the dignity and rights of border crossers. A ridiculous view, IMO.
Immigration and tourism are...different matters. You think "local" people would be better off with less of both? No, I believe tourism benefits everyone. But eventually we ought to discuss a limit. 7-8 million visitors a year and rich mainlanders moving here (e.g., Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg’s 700 acre purchase) mean higher rents, more homelessness. Further foreign immigration to Hawaii is undesirable.
(Why are you) curious to the opinions of...Hawaii society based solely on race. Does their opinion count more? People be treated as people, regardless of what their DNA is.
I appreciate that logical sentiment. But IMO native Hawaiians ought to get the benefit of American Indian tribes: reservations with tribal sovereignty.
I will get on controversial ground: IMO people with a native heritage (Hawaiian, American Indian) are consistently outcompeted by Caucasians (my race), Asians and others. We are much more acquisitive, IMO. Historically native cultures favored reciprocity, communal land use, sustainable use of resources, etc. It seems that such values, as they still exist today, don’t do well with capitalism. There is a link with native Hawaiians’ lower economic standing.
A tribal entity would give native Hawaiians a proportionately greater voice. Issues might include 1) higher tax rates on foreign investors and super-rich land purchasers like Zuckerberg and 2) foreign immigration to Hawaii.
RE: A Suggestion from Jeff Sessions about Hawaii Judge - TomK - 04-23-2017
Since MarkD decided to bring this up:
"Problematic are (deliberate) misrepresentation, personal attacks and ganging up. Seems to be quite a bit of the latter, with some commentators not even advancing ideas but just spouting insults against the outnumbered person. Particularly noticeable on topics like the Mauna Kea telescope."
You're "new" here although your writing style is very familiar. I won't say more about that right now but will say this.
When one or two people post outrageous and unverifiable opinions about the TMT or other observatories on Mauna Kea, then the majority of more intelligent and informed PW members will say something. It's not ganging up, it's pointing out idiocy using their ability to post their opinions, evidence, and facts here. It's as simple as that.
Now, back to your regular scheduled program.
RE: A Suggestion from Jeff Sessions about Hawaii Judge - dmbwest - 04-23-2017
I rest my case MarkD ... They are triggered by " outrageous and unverifiable opinions " The blueprint of it all is layed out in the post above mine.
RE: A Suggestion from Jeff Sessions about Hawaii Judge - glassnumbers - 04-23-2017
quote:
Originally posted by pog
PaulTom/HOTPE/Kalakoa 's main thing is to simply 'read into' a persons opinion they own and then react and twist words to it as if it were an offense to them personally and Rob lets them get away with this shadowing.
People like them have basically killed the true spirit of Punaweb and driven off most of the quality, regular posters.
I rest my case MarkD ... They are triggered by " outrageous and unverifiable opinions " The blueprint of it all is layed out in the post above mine.
Pog, your actions are probably the least likable actions I've seen on this board. Your previous post had no input beyond an insult, and now you're saying "yeah, I knew I was right to insult those people!" Honestly, your behavior in this thread is that of an insufferable douchebag, and it isn't a one time thing, either, you've exhibited obnoxious behavior in several other threads as well. Maybe stop that? I don't see it scoring you any points with anyone.
(P.S. it's not an insult to call your behavior douchey, it's simply stating a fact. You, in fact, did insult multiple people, including the moderator, and then later on crowed about it in the same thread. That is defacto douchebag behavior.)
RE: A Suggestion from Jeff Sessions about Hawaii Judge - TomK - 04-24-2017
Pog wrote:
"I rest my case MarkD ..."
I doubt that's true.
"They are triggered by " outrageous and unverifiable opinions " The blueprint of it all is layed out in the post above mine."
I get it. In your opinion, outrageous and unverifiable opinions on PW should not be challenged or shown to be ridiculous. A return to some utopia you believe PW used to be like is more preferable.
I will add that if your posts are anything to go by, the old PW you refer to was a very unpleasant place.
RE: A Suggestion from Jeff Sessions about Hawaii Judge - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 04-24-2017
"Jeff" Sessions, US attorney general who belittled the state of Hawaii and then tried to explain his comments away as a "joke," is today celebrating Confederate Memorial Day in the great state of Alabama:
State government offices are closed Monday in Mississippi and Alabama for Confederate Memorial Day... to "honor those who served in the confederacy."
I thought pointing out the connection between Sessions and the Confederacy (Jefferson Beauregard Sessions) might shed some light on the person who implied that those of us "sitting on an island in the Pacific" are somehow out of touch with present day reality. Perhaps he should have looked in the mirror this morning, to see how in touch he is with present day reality as he celebrates a war lost over 150 years ago.
But no, let's insult Hawaii, it's judges, and it's residents instead.
On the fifth day - the scientists who studied the rivers - were forbidden to speak - or to study the rivers. -Jane Hirshfield's poem on creation