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RE: Hawaii Public Schools & Teacher Salaries - TomK - 12-03-2017
If anyone saw my car in the parking lot they might just set up a gofundme page to help me out.
No, I'm not asking for help from the literalists here. Just making a point.
RE: Hawaii Public Schools & Teacher Salaries - Mtviewdude - 12-04-2017
quote:
Originally posted by Eric1600
He is employing "whataboutism" to distract from the topic. And he's ridiculously wrong. Here's the State's Teachers' Salary schedule for 2017-2018 https://www.hawaiipublicschools.org/DOE%20Forms/OHR/TeachersSalarySch17-18.pdf as published by the DOE who worked with the union to set rates.
The real issue at hand is how to stop Congress during the reconciliation process so we don't loose the education funds (or ACA or drill oil in the Arctic Wildlife Refuge or declare fetuses legally people at conception -- yes all those things were jammed into the tax bill they spent 2 hours reviewing).
Notice the "false info" or "fake news" with no counter information or facts.
RE: Hawaii Public Schools & Teacher Salaries - knieft - 12-04-2017
A more specific salary schedule, but not including benefits.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0JQ2SWs8fGfeXdBanNiTFNEY2c/view
Cheers,
Kirt
RE: Hawaii Public Schools & Teacher Salaries - punaticbychoice - 12-04-2017
HOTPE-
Thanks for starting this topic.
Hawaii is the only State of 50 that has a centralized State run education system.
Under either the House or Senate tax proposal, public education here takes a hit
because of that.
Due to its centralized structure, HDoE is grossly over-bureaucratized, and expensive
to operate and maintain.
The quality of education and instruction is not the primary concern of the bureaucracy,
although it may be among the actual teaching staff.
HDoE must be understood as an employment agency in a State that has no productive economy
of its own and survives essentially on transfer payments from the military, tourism and retirees.
Consequently, HDoE simply has no sense of urgency to provide the services that it charged to do
and is supposedly accountable for to the children and citizens of the State of Hawaii.
The only way to make this system work is to force authority and accountability AND RESOURCES all the
way down the line to individual schools and classrooms.
HDoE should only be a bare-bones distributor of centrally gathered tax funded resources equitably to the local school's
administrators and teachers, for the benefit of the students, their families and communities.
Publically funded locally run charter schools come closest to accomplishing this in the State of Hawaii, and
we may have some successful local examples here.
It is interesting to note that these are the very schools that the centralized HDoE wants to starve to death financially right now.
Please, some thoughts or comments.
RE: Hawaii Public Schools & Teacher Salaries - Chunkster - 12-04-2017
Thank you, punaticbychoice for summarizing the real issues with the Hawaii public schools. The bloated bureaucracy and its determined effort to starve the charter schools (the only element of the system with a glimmer of success) are more problematical than a possible revenue disruption. In any sane system, such a disruption would be cause to rethink, revise, and reform, but not in Hawaii. If it happens, the unions and good old boy politicians will not stand for any real change.
RE: Hawaii Public Schools & Teacher Salaries - Rob Tucker - 12-04-2017
I have heard, but cannot confirm, that the HDoE has more staff and admin personnel than teachers.
RE: Hawaii Public Schools & Teacher Salaries - punaticbychoice - 12-04-2017
Chunkster @ 08:59:47-
Changes in tax policy from DC may force their hand over the coming election cycles.
It may even give us a political alternative here.
Our public political life is just not healthy here.
No real check on rampant corruption.
It goes beyond ideology. It's pathological.
And thank you too.[^]
RE: Hawaii Public Schools & Teacher Salaries - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 12-04-2017
HDoE must be understood as an employment agency in a State that has no productive economy
...
I have heard... that the HDoE has more staff and admin personnel than teachers.
Thanks punaticbychoice and Rob. I did a quick search and from the HDoE's website for Job Opportunities I found this:
Opportunities
The Department of Education employs about 13,000 teachers, librarians and counselors, and an additional 12,000 educational officers, civil service and support personnel.
http://www.hawaiipublicschools.org/ConnectWithUs/Employment/JobOpportunities/Pages/home.aspx
I'm not sure if executive level staff are include in the total (from their job title description I would say they're not) so it's possible there are more support staff than teachers.
That's ridiculous. Each teacher needs one outside support person?
"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -James Madison, The Federalist Papers, 1787
RE: Hawaii Public Schools & Teacher Salaries - kalakoa - 12-04-2017
Each teacher needs one outside support person?
Self-perpetuating administrative overhead. All those new regulations have to be managed, data collected and reported for compliance and oversight. Less and less of the budget is actually spent on "teaching".
RE: Hawaii Public Schools & Teacher Salaries - terracore - 12-04-2017
Quote from my daughter while she attended Keaau HS:
"My school caters to the stupid and the angry. There aren't any resources leftover for the smart kids."