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RE: Don't ask/don't tell (cause and effect) - Guest - 01-06-2011
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RE: Don't ask/don't tell (cause and effect) - oink - 01-06-2011
I hope that's the case. (In response to TheodoreJay's post)
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
RE: Don't ask/don't tell (cause and effect) - kalama boy - 01-06-2011
mahalo keaauRich for your input.
As you mentioned, you are a homosexual and will probably see it from that angle, which is understandable. I suppose as a gay man this looks like a great idea,....showering, changing and sleeping in the same berthing area with 30 other males. Now try and see it from the other side.
One note I must clear up, I never mentioned gays recruiting straights, gay rape or any physical contact whatsoever. And I never said gays should not be in the Military.
That being said, If 29 straight males live in a 30 man berthing area and they all know there is one gay man bunked there also, do you really believe there will be no tension, problems or uncomfortableness felt while showering, changing or sleeping, by any of the 29 others? If you do, I wonder what planet you are from (maybe Canada...is that a planet). Soldiers and Sailors are not robots, they have feelings also. That is why scenarios like this are being adressed and discussed now, it could affect retention and recruitment rates down the line.
This is a question I asked earlier, please look at it from both sides; If a homosexual is attracted to another homosexual the same way a heterosexual is attracted to another heterosexual, shouldn't they be seperated as males and females are now? Correct me if i'm wrong but homosexuals are not just attracted to other homosexuals, but to the same sex. They don't know if someone is gay or not when they are first attracted to that person.
You would have to check with Rob about the extra credit, it didn't work for me.
Mahalo for your comment theodorejay, I agree with you that the military may loose some qualified and capable gay people but the real concern coming from the brass at the moment is that their worried they may loose even more qualified and capable straight personnel because of the repeal.
Aloha.
RE: Don't ask/don't tell (cause and effect) - Guest - 01-06-2011
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RE: Don't ask/don't tell (cause and effect) - kalama boy - 01-06-2011
Mauka, using your logic why even go to the trouble and cost of having seperate berthing and barracks for males and females?
Just house them all together and tell them to " shut up and do their damn job" and if anything improper happens then bring them to a Captain's mast or court martial them.
Would you care to actually look at this issue from various points of view to come up with a solution? How about trying to answer the question I had posed to you on page 3?
Mahalo
RE: Don't ask/don't tell (cause and effect) - Greg - 01-06-2011
I think people uncomfortable in the presence of gays are probably not too confident of their own sexuality. I would suggest the military offer counseling to those fragile warriors.
RE: Don't ask/don't tell (cause and effect) - mdd7000 - 01-06-2011
quote:It is his right to be either comfortable or uncomfortable with the subject. It is not your right to tell him he has to accept your position on the subject nor does he have to feel comfortable with your position either.
Originally posted by Mauka
KB - That first paragraph was completely uncalled for. Why are you so uncomfortable? I think that's what you should be asking yourself. You've been showering with gay men for years.
Sheesh, people get over it already...
RE: Don't ask/don't tell (cause and effect) - oink - 01-06-2011
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Originally posted by Mauka: Oink - As your name indicates that you are a pig
More name calling? Well you picked the correct person as it doesn't bother me. Kinda poor decorum though IMHO.
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quote:Whats with the automatic umbrage all of the time? His statement may have been snide but maybe not. Remember, assume the best. Being the pig you say I am, if I imagine myself in a shower setting with nude Hawaiian females.... well they won't be oblivious to me. I think I'm fairly normal on that. It may be a legitimate concern. I am sure it will be delt with somehow.
Originally posted by Mauka: KB - That first paragraph was completely uncalled for. Why are you so uncomfortable? I think that's what you should be asking yourself. You've been showering with gay men for years.
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
RE: Don't ask/don't tell (cause and effect) - PaulW - 01-06-2011
Still desperately seeking a connection to Puna or Hawaii.
RE: Don't ask/don't tell (cause and effect) - Guest - 01-06-2011
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