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RE: Hit and run on Goivernment Beach road - Orchidlandguy - 01-11-2012
Obie,
Don't blame the victim.
Why is it so important for you to take your time and energy to drive down Gov't Rd to check on drive ways? A little sympathy goes a long way here. It does not matter if you are correct. That has no place in a discussion of sympathy for a grieving dog owner.
cwaters explained clearly that the car swerved off the road and into her driveway. Why does it matter where the gate is? Most gates in Puna are located in 10 to 20 feet up the drive from the road. Thus, a car can indeed swerve onto the beginning of the drive. Also dogs often sit on the beginning of the drive in front of the drive gates. dogs are curious and love to watch the goings on. The gates being built back does not mean the drive is built back. Anyone who has a drive gate has paid to have their drive come out to hit connect with the road. My own gate is located 20 feet in from the road. My own dogs can and do sit on 20 feet of drive in front of the gate. I paid for that 20 feet of drive to connect to the road. It is MY driveway.
You are way off base on this, Obie.
I think it appropriate for your to apologize for your callous postings and your focus on blaming the dog and dog owners. However, I have never read an apology from you on any thread. Some men aren't big enough to say they are wrong and they are sorry. You should try it now. It makes you feel better to admit wrongs and correct them.
cwaters is not irresponsible for letting her dog sit on her drive way. The dog was not chasing the car. The dog was in the driveway on it's property. The driver of the car that hit the dog is responsible and will have to live the rest of their lives knowing they hit a pet and never stopped. I know it would stay with me forever.
Pog,
You say don't ring any human necks about this? You say maybe the driver thought it was a wondering stray? I think it was an accident because it is hard for me to imagine anyone swerving onto a drive to purposely hit an innocent dog. Given that it was an accident, the driver knew they hit something. It is impossible to hit and kill a dog and not know you have hit something. If the driver didn't see the dog then they are very irresponsible and should not be behind the wheel. However, even if they did not see where they were steering the car, they had to have felt the impact. The driver has an obligation to stop and check. If they didn't see it, it could have been a small child or a person stumped over weeding. Or if they did see the dog, and they felt the impact they are obliged to stop and see if the dog can be helped or put out of it's misery.
I doubt the driver thought this dog they hit and killed was a stray, Especially if the dog was located on a driveway. That driver is at fault and needed to stop and render help to the animal and go up the drive to inform the owners what had happened.
to both Obie and Pog,
I have a hard time understanding where Obie and Pog are coming from. Have you no compassion? Would you have not stopped because it was an accident? Would you have not stopped because you thought the dog was a stray? Would you have not stopped because the dog was in front of the gate and on the beginning on the drive instead of behind the gate?
Use this opportunity to become compassionate, humble and sympathetic. this could happen to a pet you know and love. Even if it was and accident, it is the driver's fault, not the dogs nor the owners.
RE: Hit and run on Goivernment Beach road - Orchidlandguy - 01-11-2012
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Originally posted by Obie
As a pet owner you are responsible for the safety of your beloved dog .
Why was your dog not on a leash or inside your yard ?
One last little point,I am a very good driver and once raced cars,I don't think I could drive 45 mph on that road and and swerve towards someones dog and live through it!!
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Originally posted by Obie
So you are saying someone was driving 45 mph down your driveway and hit your dog??
Big driveway !
I am not unsympathetic, I just find your story hard to believe.
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Originally posted by Obie
"Our dog was on our property"
I guess I am being misunderstood.How could this dog have been hit by a car going 45 mph when the dog was on the owners property?
As a person who has been chased by dogs while riding my bicycle and was bitten on the leg, I am less than tolerant when it comes to people who let their dogs run loose.
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Originally posted by Obie
How was this dog hit by a car going 45 mph when the dog was on the owners property ??
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Originally posted by Obie
I just came back from driving Government Beach Road.The private property and all of the gates are at least 20 feet back from the edge of the road.There is no place along there where the private property comes close to the edge of the road.
I am sorry,but this dog had to be in the road and not on private property.
Sorry for your loss but it would not have happened if your dog was on a leash or actually on your own property.
I am posting the above posts by Obie that I just copied from this thread.
The last time Obie got into trouble with his blaming Obie deleted and changed every post he had made on the thread. What a cowardly thing to do, post blames and then delete the things you posted so nobody can see how off base you were. Search "OLG Rant" and see how Obie deleted and changed the wording on his posts there. If you read the replies you can get the gist of what Obie was saying and what he deleted.
I just want to have the above posts on this thread in case Obie decides to delete what he has said.
Obie, instead of deleting and changing your posts, why not apologize?
RE: Hit and run on Goivernment Beach road - Royall - 01-11-2012
OLG.... Let it drop please. You can't change ones spots. You'll just turn this into another "HATE" link. Just saying....
Royall
Hale O Na Mea Pa`ani
RE: Hit and run on Goivernment Beach road - Orchidlandguy - 01-11-2012
good advice, Royal. I am over and out on this one, with well wishes and prayers for the pain cwaters is going through.
RE: Hit and run on Goivernment Beach road - spunky - 01-11-2012
My heart goes out on the loss of your pet. I would be crushed.
As for Obie and Pog: I recall last new years eve I posted here after a guy in a white Jeep Cherokee with Oregon plates deliberately and consciously ran over a dog right in front of me in HPP. I was walking my dogs and this dog had started following me then walking in front of me. The dog was about 20 feet in front of me when it was hit. It was a large dog and the driver definitely saw it because after hitting it he drove up to me and said " you should leash your dog." then sped off. Sad part was I later learned that the sky's owner had died and no one had been taking care of it so it busted out of it's pen (probably followed me thinking I would feed him.)
When I posted about it on PW there were a lot of folks who said it was the dog's fault!!!! Other people who werent there then started false claims into the mix, saying the dog was chasing chickens etc. My point is that people on this site can be heartless and cold. but some are genuinely caring. My experience is that Obie and Pog are the former not the latter. If it were my dog that was killed I'm not sure I would even say anything here because those two are so heartless I would be all the more devastated by the bile they post.
Again, know that there are those out there who feel for you in your time of loss.
RE: Hit and run on Goivernment Beach road - Obie - 01-11-2012
Sorry folks!
I feel sad for the poor dog but it died because it's careless owner didn't have it on a leash.
In an amazing coincidence,here is an article form today's Tribune.
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/sections/news/features/danger-swerving.html
You want to be a caring pet owner,take care of your pet !!
RE: Hit and run on Goivernment Beach road - StillHope - 01-11-2012
For dog lovers there are no dogs,they are kids.Not a figure of speech.
For real.Only those who lost a kid can understand the pain.
Those who can not only tell a mother who just lost a child that is her fault (even if it was!) but also go into details why ...
Cwaters, nothing I can say will ease your pain.They say it gets better with time..
RE: Hit and run on Goivernment Beach road - Kapohocat - 01-11-2012
Cwaters, I am so sorry you lost a pet. We lost Mr Happy (a cat) to a car last year.
RE: Hit and run on Goivernment Beach road - dmbwest - 01-11-2012
I too have had 4 canine family friends taken out by cars ( even one hit by mom in the driveway ! ) so understand the pain involved. But all times it WAS my fault for letting the dogs run unleashed.
A dog has arguably the same mentality of a two year old ( a REAL Child Stillhope ) and I don't think anyone here would let a child get anywhere NEAR the same risk.
Did it twice this week already, brought neighbors Jack back home and stopped to retrieve and ask around to find where a beautiful Golden lived cause I know if a dog is on or around the road, its gonna get hit.
No telling what this person drivng was doing out there ... Maybe they had their own health emergency, maybe it was a person running from domestic volence. Judgement needs to be witheld 'till all the facts are known.
RE: Hit and run on Goivernment Beach road - jackson - 01-11-2012
Pog, please take the OP at their word. The dog was on its own property. As far as you know, the dog was trained not to leave the yard. Do you also think that people should leash their children when playing in their own yard?
Please, please understand that you don't have to be right or prove your point. Leave it go and allow the person who suffered the loss to do so in peace. As I said to Obie, this is not about you. Being right doesn't make you a better person. Compassion might.