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RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - MattKarma - 07-23-2019
dan_d ... here’s a tip: start construction Xmas.... ain’t gonna be no one there then...
Maybe that defeats the purpose though. ... I mean *this is hawaii*!
***Still can't figure out how to spell 'car' correctly***
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - ironyak - 07-23-2019
kalakoa - Hawaiians have special rights and privileges, so special that nobody can even bring it up without being labeled a bigot.
Actually it's brought up all the time - just today in fact. I don't think anyone called the judges bigots, but perhaps they just used "your honor" as cover.
The Constitution of the State of Hawaii
Article 12
Section 7. The State reaffirms and shall protect all rights, customarily and traditionally exercised for subsistence, cultural and religious purposes and possessed by ahupua'a tenants who are descendants of native Hawaiians who inhabited the Hawaiian Islands prior to 1778, subject to the right of the State to regulate such rights.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - glinda - 07-23-2019
One has to wonder, when even kalakoa resorts to innuendo and mistruths, how far have we fallen?
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - kalakoa - 07-23-2019
innuendo and mistruths
Honestly, it's almost impossible to care anymore. Now that State has abdicated its responsibility to uphold the rule of law, we will soon be without a functioning economy, because nobody will risk investment in a place where permits and court rulings aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
subject to the right of the State to regulate such rights
Regulation such as zoning and land-use laws and a permitting process that can be appealed in a court of law? That kind of regulation?
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-23-2019
The State reaffirms and shall protect all rights, customarily and traditionally exercised for subsistence, cultural and religious purposes
What would happen if protestors set up lawn chairs at the entrances to Target, Safeway, and Home Depot? All are on DHHL properties. What if a group of Hawaiians wanted to practice their culture and religion in the parking lot? Or protest their lack of a homestead while DHHL caters to big box mainland corporations?
Would the citizens of Hilo respond when they couldn’t go shopping?
Would the police insure the stores remained open? Or stand around in a non-confrontational manner?
Would the needs of the many (shoppers) outweigh the needs of the few?
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - kalakoa - 07-23-2019
protest their lack of a homestead while DHHL caters to big box mainland corporations?
Because the mainland corporations only invested tens of millions building their big box stores, well below the billions required for cultural practices on sacred land.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - TomK - 07-23-2019
"One has to wonder, when even kalakoa resorts to innuendo and mistruths, how far have we fallen?"
I was wondering the exact same thing, except it wasn't about kalakoa, but the protesters who tried to blackmail Maunakea Observatories today. And if you think that's a strong word, then you should have heard the actual responses from senior observatory staff which couldn't possibly be aired publicly.
When you have Kanuha running after an observatory vehicle because he knows his bargaining chip is leaving, you know he realized that he had f*cked up.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - glinda - 07-23-2019
Now that State has abdicated its responsibility to uphold the rule of law
One has to wonder, did they learn how to do that from the feds?
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - snorkle - 07-23-2019
quote:
Originally posted by kalakoa
Blocking the road is illegal.
Only for regular people. Hawaiians have special rights and privileges, so special that nobody can even bring it up without being labeled a bigot.
Amazing....A bigoted statement by someone who is offended by being called a bigot.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - kalakoa - 07-23-2019
A bigoted statement
No, Hawaiians really do have special rights and privileges written into the state Constitution, as described above. State-sanctioned bigotry as rule of law. Awesome.
I wonder what they'll shut down next?