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RE: HPP road maintainence - kalakoa - 02-17-2017
you are here to mock all of us who have a genuine concern of an issue
How many years have y'all been "having the concern" now?
It's a mockery whether or not anyone says anything. Mockery all the way down. Covered in mockery sauce! With a side of jellied mockery, and fanfare and trumpets and confetti.
RE: HPP road maintainence - mermaid53 - 02-17-2017
quote:
Originally posted by kalakoa
you are here to mock all of us who have a genuine concern of an issue
How many years have y'all been "having the concern" now?
It's a mockery whether or not anyone says anything. Mockery all the way down. Covered in mockery sauce! With a side of jellied mockery, and fanfare and trumpets and confetti.
Aw C'mon kalakoa...I for one have appreciated your constructive posts in the past that have been very helpful and encouraging.
Johnd, members have had enough. There's rumbling going on w/in HPP.
RE: HPP road maintainence - mermaid53 - 02-17-2017
I'd like to pose a question to whomever may still be reading this thread.
I spoke w/a neighbor recently and she said she paid to have road material dropped bc the potholes were so bad pulling in and out of her driveway.
Should she send the ofc the invoice to show her expense, then deduct that and just pay the balance on her road fee?
Sounds fair and logical doesn't it?
RE: HPP road maintainence - My 2 cents - 02-17-2017
quote:
Originally posted by mermaid53
I'd like to pose a question to whomever may still be reading this thread.
I spoke w/a neighbor recently and she said she paid to have road material dropped bc the potholes were so bad pulling in and out of her driveway.
Should she send the ofc the invoice to show her expense, then deduct that and just pay the balance on her road fee?
Sounds fair and logical doesn't it?
OLCA's policy is to require approval BEFORE the expenditure. I would expect HPPOA to have the same policy for the following reasons:
First, how can the board be certain after the fact that the material was all used on the road and in a place that really needed it? Even pictures can lie in this instance.
Second, if this was allowed there would be a potential for a large number of members to do this and create a major financial issue.
Third, allowing members to spend money willy nilly w/o approval is no less reckless than allowing directors to do it. And if a director was to buy a truckload of gravel and spread it in front of his property w/o approval I'm quite sure that you would have something to say about it.
I'm not trying to burst any bubbles, just commenting on sound fiscal policies. That's what you want, right?
RE: HPP road maintainence - kalakoa - 02-17-2017
OLCA's policy is to require approval BEFORE the expenditure.
Only relevant where policies are actively enforced.
if a director was to buy a truckload of gravel and spread it in front of his property w/o approval
If the director gets road maintenance in front of their house by redirecting Association resources, then it's okay because the Board voted on it?
RE: HPP road maintainence - My 2 cents - 02-17-2017
"OLCA's policy is to require approval BEFORE the expenditure.
Only relevant where policies are actively enforced."
I said nothing about whether the policies were enforced or followed, but my perception of the comments on this thread is that people WANT them to be followed. Or is that to be selective, and by whom?
"if a director was to buy a truckload of gravel and spread it in front of his property w/o approval
If the director gets road maintenance in front of their house by redirecting Association resources, then it's okay because the Board voted on it?"
Actually, legally yes. As long as the director abstains from the voting (conflict of interest).
RE: HPP road maintainence - Obie - 02-17-2017
quote:
Originally posted by mermaid53
I'd like to pose a question to whomever may still be reading this thread.
I spoke w/a neighbor recently and she said she paid to have road material dropped bc the potholes were so bad pulling in and out of her driveway.
Should she send the ofc the invoice to show her expense, then deduct that and just pay the balance on her road fee?
Sounds fair and logical doesn't it?
Try read your bylaws.
"(e) Disbursement Authorization. Non-budget expenditures shall be made only with the approval of the board."
RE: HPP road maintainence - mermaid53 - 02-17-2017
Originally posted by Obie:
Try read your bylaws.
"(e) Disbursement Authorization. Non-budget expenditures shall be made only with the approval of the board."
Mahalo for the effort...what I was referring to is a budgeted expenditure...comes under road material which the board cut back 60% from previous budgets when our roads were being maintained. That's why people are putting out extra $ bc the roads are neglected = NO road material.
The $250,000 that used to be budgeted for road material every year used to get 46% of our roads laid w/fresh road material every 2 1/2-3 yrs. It's been at least 5 yrs for Kaloli Pt. I would guess it's about the same in other areas of the park bc their roads look exactly like the ones on Kaloli Pt, or much worse....powdered roads resulting in giant potholes throughout the park and blowing "fugitive dust" all over during drought. The water truck watering roads during the hottest times of the day evaporates almost as soon as it hits the ground wasting road crew time and fuel for the water truck = a waste of OUR $$$. If the board truly wants to combat "fugitive dust", they should be jamming to lay quality bonding road material on every road they can for the next 2-3 yrs to catch up. While they're at it, train the road crew how to properly roll, compact and grade bc that's equally as important to a good dirt road. The other guys should be tending to the overgrown easements.
The time you spend here quoting HPP bylaws, reading HPP minutes, knowing exactly what day and which rep resigned, assisting w/our website issues 18 months ago, reading HPP facebook, posting HPP mtg agendas and HPP facebook posts on HPP PT threads.... this is all extremely out of character for someone who doesn't own in HPP.
Try admit it, no shame.
RE: HPP road maintainence - mermaid53 - 02-17-2017
Originally posted by My 2 cents:
Actually, legally yes. As long as the director abstains from the voting (conflict of interest).
HPP bylaws:
Article VIII Sec 11 (a) No member of the board shall vote at any board meeting on any issue in which such member has a conflict of interest. The director shall disclose the nature of the conflict of interest prior to a vote at the board meeting, and the minutes of the meeting shall record the fact that a disclosure was made.
(b) Any after-the-fact disclosure of a conflict of interest on the part of any director shall result in the nullification of any relevant vote of the director and shall be grounds for dismissal from the board."
RE: HPP road maintainence - Obie - 02-17-2017
I post here because this is a public forum about Puna.
You seem to think it's a message board for HPP. By pointing out how often you are wrong, I had hoped you people would move this stinking mess to a private site.
Hey, here is a facebook group for HPP. Why don't you join this ???
https://www.facebook.com/groups/HPPnextDoor/?fref=nf
Over 800 members !