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RE: We Support TMT - Please sign the petition - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 05-23-2015
TMT ... is so freaking awesome.
It sure is.
Over on Ian Lind's website, he recently posted the photo he contributed to the Hawaiian sovereignty exhibit at the National Museum of the American Indian.
At a Sovereignty rally in 1976/77, the first public performance of Liko Martin’s “All Hawaii Stand Together" was played under the Ionlani Bandstand. If you look at the bandstand's roof with a certain perspective, you might see a passing similarity to an old-timey observatory dome. Coincidence? The first indication that the protests are not about the TMT? Only Punawebbers will know for sure.
http://www.ilind.net/2015/05/22/national-museum-of-the-american-indian-to-showcase-hawaii-sovereignty/
RE: We Support TMT - Please sign the petition - TomK - 05-23-2015
Viewing windows?
RE: We Support TMT - Please sign the petition - Tink - 05-24-2015
I believe PT is referring to the open wind tunnels (breeze ways) that the architect has designed for exit paths to get around the distance requirements set forth in the Fire Code on the exterior shell.
Still would be a place to have an amazing view and fresh air while taking a break from the computer screen and a cranky boss.
Community begins with Aloha
RE: We Support TMT - Please sign the petition - TomK - 05-24-2015
Those windows are part of the dome ventilation system. UKIRT, the CFHT and Gemini all have similar systems. They're designed to keep the air temperature inside the dome the same as the outside air temperature at night. If the air inside the dome is warmer than outside then you end up with a column of warm air rising above the dome which causes local turbulence and degrades the delivered image quality; a problem typically seen during the first few hours of the night as temperatures drop rapidly.
The system at UKIRT gives an extra two or three hours of optimal image quality every night compared to nights it's not in use, so it's a very important part of the observatory's operations.
Edited for a typo.
RE: We Support TMT - Please sign the petition - opihikao - 05-24-2015
Mr. Tom, mahalo for the explanation (I was a tad perplexed). Travel safely, warmest aloha to Pam.
As an aside, Pahoated, please, is it "'Ia O Na Lani" ("'Iao Needle" in Maui) you speak of as "most sacred, that no one cares about"? Trying to understand your previous post, as Kupuna did state that point was "most sacred" for our ohana, not only Mauna Kea/Mauna a Wakea.
Mahalo in advance.
JMO.
ETA: Mahalo for fixing that link, Mr. Tom.
RE: We Support TMT - Please sign the petition - TomK - 05-24-2015
Pahoated has also stated the TMT "is being purposely located down in a hole", so having "viewing windows" seems quite pointless if they are designed to provide awesome views of the island.
RE: We Support TMT - Please sign the petition - TomK - 05-25-2015
Er, pahoated, the TMT is not mostly a Canadian financed project. Will you ever stop making stuff up?
RE: We Support TMT - Please sign the petition - opihikao - 05-25-2015
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No words.
JMO.
RE: We Support TMT - Please sign the petition - TomK - 05-25-2015
I don't know if you're referring to my post or pahoated's, Opihikao, but his was totally out of order. Post something about what those "windows" on the TMT are and in return you get this:
"The rectangular openings in the outer wall. Heil Victoria! The net nazi reich will last 1000 years!"
On Memorial Day of all days. Utterly bizarre and sick-minded.
RE: We Support TMT - Please sign the petition - opihikao - 05-26-2015
Pahoated, your post was so offensive, on several levels. Frankly, also inaccurate as to our teachings regarding the cultural significance (not just all the typos - ie. "Polihau", "m'oi", etc.). The worst was the Nazi reference, which is very poor taste, at best. SMH.
With your intelligence, (I actually enjoy reading your posts 99% of the time), the above comment was just uncalled for. Won't even bother to go over the inaccuracies of your statement re: Mauna a Wakea/Mauna Kea, and the history.
JMO.
Back to topic, another article:
(*Snipped - More at link / Also in the Star Advertiser)
A 2007 report warned about the risks involved in developing a giant telescope on Mauna Kea.
The report by a Colorado firm hired to evaluate the risks warned that building the Thirty Meter Telescope would come with stiff resistance from Native Hawaiians, lawsuits and regulatory hurdles.
While the report didn’t predict a new generation of Hawaiians taking the opposition to a new level, it gives some insight into what’s happening now, the Honolulu Star-Advertiser newspaper reported Monday (http://ow.ly/NpEmF ).
The $1.4 billion project remains at a construction standstill after protesters began blocking construction vehicles. Opponents say the telescope will desecrate sacred land.
The 19-page Keystone Center report was commissioned by the Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation, which is funding the telescope. It concluded there would be no fast track to bringing the telescope to Mauna Kea. It didn’t offer any recommendations on whether the telescope should be built.
“Should TMT decide to pursue a Mauna Kea site, it will inherit the anger, fear and great mistrust generated through previous telescope planning and siting failures and an accumulated disbelief that any additional projects, especially a physically imposing one like the TMT, can be done properly,” the report said.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/25/07-report-warned-about-risks-of-mauna-kea-telescop/