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RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - PaulW - 07-25-2019
"The parties, the sporting events, graduations, weddings, and baby showers, all the I went to school with his sister, my cousin married his brother, we go to the same church..."
Uh, isn't it like that at just about any small town in this country and all over the world? Not exactly a reason to block roads illegally to stop - wait for it - a telescope!
Amazing that a builder from California understands Hawaiian culture so deeply that he can tell us how they would vote in surveys that they supposedly refuse to participate in.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - leilanidude - 07-25-2019
I saw a social media post where the protestors are asking for donations of Walmart and Visa gift cards...
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - EightFingers - 07-25-2019
Anyone remember this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDG_Wj0KtIs
Also found this: http://hawaiiankingdom.org/govt-acting-statement.shtml
Puna: Our roosters crow first
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-25-2019
protestors are asking for donations of Walmart and Visa gift cards...
Yes, I saw a "doctor" on the mainland request "urgently needed" Target Gift Cards for protestor's medical care. What are they doing up there on the access road?
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - ironyak - 07-25-2019
EightFinger - Anyone remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDG_Wj0KtIs
Yep - we talked about it extensively here. JoJo has posted other examples of successfully challenging traffic stops for having Hawaiian Kingdom plates. Would it really surprise you that he is part of the Kapu Aloha crew up on Mauna Kea?
Also found this: http://hawaiiankingdom.org/govt-acting-statement.shtml
Obviously very old news from Keanu Sai - what is the point exactly?
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - geochem - 07-25-2019
quote:
Originally posted by TomK
"And to be clear.. I agree Tom, you are right from your side, and I am right from mine."
I don't understand. From my side, I'm posting verifiable information. From your side, you are spinning things so much that they turn into outright lies.
TomK, let me try to explain it to you... glinda and the activist faction are not obliged to provide any actual facts, or even acknowledge verifiable facts or reality in general. They manufacture their preferred reality and supporting "facts" as required: as long as that reality and those "facts" are believed by some number of the credulous public and credulous media, they are "winning" the argument. As glinda acknowledges, TMT is a pawn and is irrelevant in this battle - and the battle isn't about "religion" or "sacredness" of the mountain, or even sovereignty. glinda, perhaps unintentionally, revealed what the battle is about: "...are people who you do not respect". It's really about bullying someone who (the activists feel) hasn't shown them adequate respect. Those of us in the science community, the university, or any other organization that is perceived to have had some measure of accomplishment, or financial success, or political power, (in their view) have to be taken down a few pegs. Our success, to them, is a measure of their failure.
It is a pretty deeply ingrained and widely recognized antagonism toward anyone who has been successful. I've heard it referred to by the local folk as the a'ama crab syndrome: based, allegedly, on the propensity of those crabs, when thrown together in a bucket, inevitably attempt to climb out. They often fail to do so because, as the uppermost crab reaches the bucket lip, he is latched onto by the lower crabs in the bucket and pulled back down. (if I can't be successful, no one else can be either...)
One would hope that Hawaii's leadership would have the gumption to be able to manage this issue - but that hope is increasingly dim. Success with stopping the TMT will only lead to new activism, loss of more opportunities for all, and progressive deterioration in the island's and the state's economy; further deterioration in the quality of the schools and the university; and further out-migration of Hawaii's children for opportunities elsewhere. But that's okay for the activists - as long as no one else is successful, they have achieved their objective.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - Punatic007 - 07-25-2019
When I first moved here decades ago a local Hawaiian friend told me about the "Onomea? crab syndrome" in response to asking him if he liked living on the Big Island. The only problem he said was "if you become successful and happy other people will try to pull you down like the black crabs in a 5 gallon bucket. Just as one reaches the top and almost over and out, the others drag him back down.
Also sociologists did studies due to high crime rates including highest domestic violence in the USA, and determined the Big Island local population was a culture on the decline. No link sorry, read the studies about 35 years ago.
Same ole stuff different props and people.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - kalakoa - 07-25-2019
someone who (the activists feel) hasn't shown them adequate respect
TMT has been very respectful compared to DHHL.
progressive deterioration in the island's and the state's economy
Some silver lining here: a smaller population will be better served by the inadequate infrastructure. Those who can still afford it can look forward to less traffic on the highways, more stock at the Walmart.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - snorkle - 07-25-2019
HERE is a video of the Governor's emergency proclamation.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - Pilgrim - 07-25-2019
In the meantime..."Mauna Kea Summit" is for sale:
https://honolulu.craigslist.org/big/for/d/paauilo-maunakeasummitcom-for-sale/6942249740.html
"Snatch it up now before "the other side" does."