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RE: laws not enforced? - punafish - 12-19-2014
"It has been stated by CD that diversion is not possible due to issues of cultural sensitivity. Why is it sensitive? Why is discussion of the topic hewa?"
Ironyak, just a comment on your first sentence above. If my understanding is correct, the County said they would not attempt diversion because it might sacrifice one area to save another, "or actually make the problem worse..." (Darryl Oliveira)
Cultural sensitivity was also mentioned, but I didn't take that as their primary reason for not attempting the diversion.
But others might interpret Darryl's message differently, so here's a youtube with Darryl explaining in his own words (from 0:37). Please listen and draw your own conclusions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tBnlAG371o#t=50
RE: laws not enforced? - ironyak - 12-19-2014
quote:
Originally posted by Southernmost
I'm not an expert so everyone knows. Could never write about these two things in full because I'd be typing forever. I'll try to make it simple. Respect the native peoples beliefs. Would you destroy someone's soul? When you mess with Pele in any way, that is what they feel. You are taking their soul and disrespecting their goddess, which in turn brings only more destruction. She is cleansing the land. They believed that before any western house was built here so it's not about cleaning out the people who built up the area.
Hawaiians say respect her, that is all that should be needed to be said. You don't want to cross her even if all that does in your mind is appease the Hawaiians. I know it's really hard, try to feel what they feel.
I don't have time for the sovereignty subject, I suggest you find one kupuna(Hawaiian blooded elder) and kindly ask them how they feel about it. Then ask many more kupuna and that will help you understand. I can say that it is the root of all these things I have been talking about. Ok pau, going play catch with my son. Aloha
Yeah - time to make dinner. Many thanks for having this discussion. It is not the first I've had on these topics, nor the last, but it has been very informative. Sincere best wishes and take care.
RE: laws not enforced? - ironyak - 12-19-2014
quote:
Originally posted by punafish
Cultural sensitivity was also mentioned, but I didn't take that as their primary reason for not attempting the diversion.
But others might interpret Darryl's message differently, so here's a youtube with Darryl explaining in his own words (from 0:37). Please listen and draw your own conclusions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tBnlAG371o#t=50
Talking about taking different interpretations, that is the same video I linked to regarding cultural issues.
I should have said that cultural issues are one of the factors but was typing quick. Whether or not it is a major, equal, or minor factor in the decision making is open for consideration.
RE: laws not enforced? - Hualani - 12-19-2014
quote:
Originally posted by ironyak
[quote]Originally posted by Southernmost
Even in these rants by HaoleProud, I don't believe I've heard anyone stating that locals (for lack of a better term = born & raised on island? on any Hawai'i island?) should not stay or that it is not your home. This however is a common phrase heard from locals directed to transplants (for lack of a better word)
For you, is home only the place you were born?
Why do you "have no where to go" in the sense of choosing to live anywhere else on this vast planet?
Um Ironyak: how embarrassing! Have you knottaken the time to learn any of the national language for where you live?
Let me help:
MALAHINI- NEWCOMER
KEIKI O KA 'AINA - (lit.) BORN OF THE LAND OR ejected from the maternal womb in the Hawaiian Islands.
KAMA'AINA - Long time assimilated resident. Generally accepted as more than a couple of decades.
KANAKA MAOLE- Native Hawaiian with Racial implications of "Hawaiian" or Polynesian
Add in the colloquialisms for "local" for "Haole" (also defines as foreigner), I hope we're all adult enough here to accept any and all of the non derogatory terms without requiring justifications/explanations....but then again?
RE: laws not enforced? - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 12-19-2014
Big Island Population Growth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii_%28island%29#Demographics
(link also posted in edit of original population listing above)
RE: laws not enforced? - Southernmost - 12-19-2014
More help ironyak....about the place I grew up, my ohana. wish they had the whole video on youtube...
http://youtu.be/EcR0D0rkEsY
RE: laws not enforced? - punafish - 12-19-2014
Thank you for sharing that Southernmost, beautiful.
RE: laws not enforced? - Southernmost - 12-19-2014
You're welcome.
RE: laws not enforced? - deserteagle50ae - 12-19-2014
Just finished watching your video Southernmost, brought back memories of growing up here on this beautiful island with my family. Parents and grandparents are now gone, only my siblings and I remain. The past with my family was a beautiful time, thanks for the video.
RE: laws not enforced? - Jeffhale - 12-19-2014
Is there any wonder, doubt or further question to the state of affairs in which people can't get along?
Geez!, nearly every topic inside of Puna talk is blasted with trolls who have, apparently, nothing better to do than sling trash back and forth.
after 4 pages I ferget: what the heck was the topic anyway?
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