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RE: Albizia assassins - Guest - 02-21-2016
Every plant in a jungle is trying to be the only plant in the jungle. The problem with Albezia is that it WILL succeed in being the only tree in the Puna jungle. Absent massive control efforts, in 100 years Puna will be one vast and largely uninhabitable Albezia grove shading abandoned neighborhoods. The ohia and luhalla will exist only in quaint old photos. If that is what you want, fine. I eradicated about 100 of these things on my property and still have to go out every year and kill the ones springing up from the monsters on neighbor's property. And when they topple over my line and take out my luhalla and ohia, guess what grows up through the hole in the canopy. An albezia grove of hundreds of young tree, every one of which must be manually eradicated. And the next year, more of the same. Hey, thanks for nothing.
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RE: Albizia assassins - kalakoa - 02-22-2016
Puna will be one vast and largely uninhabitable Albezia grove shading abandoned neighborhoods
For a preview: drive through "the middle part" of Nanavale Estates, where the albizia covers entire blocks; these lots remain undeveloped because the cost of clearing exceeds the value of the land.
RE: Albizia assassins - Lodestone - 02-22-2016
quote:I expect that might be exactly the way some folks want it.
Originally posted by kalakoa
Puna will be one vast and largely uninhabitable Albezia grove shading abandoned neighborhoods
For a preview: drive through "the middle part" of Nanavale Estates, where the albizia covers entire blocks; these lots remain undeveloped because the cost of clearing exceeds the value of the land.
RE: Albizia assassins - kalakoa - 02-22-2016
I expect that might be exactly the way some folks want it.
The albizia "protectors" can simply purchase those worthless lots and start paying the property taxes. Problem solved.
RE: Albizia assassins - Justin - 02-22-2016
I have poisoned several Albizias, and can confirm that a couple drops at an angle in the trunk is all that is needed. I guarantee you that many people on this board have cars that drop more than that amount of oil every time they drive into Hilo. I can also guarantee you that the oil from the roads that washes off into the forest is worse for the environment than a couple random drops of milestone that don't make their way into Albizia trunks. I'm not going to lose sleep over either one.
What I would lose sleep over is doing anything else with Albizia. Cutting them down is absurdly expensive, very dangerous, and won't fix anything long term, as they will grow back. Doing nothing will lead to our forest being a monoculture chock-full of these dangerous trees, as I experienced firsthand in the Society Islands last week and last fall. Girdling is "better" than the other two options, but much more labor intensive and also more dangerous to the individual attempting to girdle a huge tree.
RE: Albizia assassins - PrismaticMenehune - 02-22-2016
> The albizia "protectors" can simply purchase those worthless lots and start paying the property taxes. Problem solved.
I might actually be interested. PM with details.
RE: Albizia assassins - Lodestone - 02-22-2016
No need to buy the worthless lots. Because they are full of albizias, no one will ever develop them, hence no one will ever cut them down. Kind of insidious isn't it? Without an organized effort, albizias win. This being Puna... smart money is on them trees.
RE: Albizia assassins - kalakoa - 02-22-2016
Because they are full of albizias, no one will ever develop them, hence no one will ever cut them down.
In some cases, the owners have stopped bothering to pay their property tax, yet neither County nor Association has put the lots up for tax lien.
Without an organized effort, albizias win.
Strangely consistent with the rest of the growth management problem: by taking land out of circulation, there's less pressure to provide services and infrastructure...
It wouldn't be so bad if the albizia weren't a hazard to roads, buildings, and power lines.
RE: Albizia assassins - Kapoho Joe - 02-22-2016
quote:
Originally posted by Lodestone
No need to buy the worthless lots. Because they are full of albizias, no one will ever develop them, hence no one will ever cut them down. Kind of insidious isn't it? Without an organized effort, albizias win. This being Puna... smart money is on them trees.
I have heard several first hand accounts of people 'helping' their absentee lot owning neighbors by girdling or poisoning their albezias for them (free of charge of course).
RE: Albizia assassins - Lodestone - 02-22-2016
quote:I hear that I might someday be doing that myself, hypothetically. What's the legality of this? I believe I am doing the absentee owners a favor, am doing the "right thing", and nobody is likely to "catch" me doing it... but, it's not my property and it's not my tree, so I'm guessing Judge Judy would yell at me.
Originally posted by Kapoho Joe
I have heard several first hand accounts of people 'helping' their absentee lot owning neighbors by girdling or poisoning their albezias for them (free of charge of course).