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RE: Hawaii residents want pesticide alert!! - ElysianWort - 04-27-2018
Thanks for that link Durianfiend. The one talking about the chemicals that are banned in other countries but are still being used in the U.S.A.
That really speaks volumes.
Edited to add this:
Here is a bit from that link. Can't wait for the Roundup using fiends to try to discredit it somehow.
This is what your lovely Roundup does after widespread use:
4. Glyphosate, the active ingredient in Monsanto’s Roundup, will soon to be banned in the Netherlands. Brazil is considering a ban. Ontario, Canada, banned it for home use as a “cosmetic” pesticide (chemicals that keep your yard looking nice). This year, Sri Lanka banned it. Scientists suspect it may be the culprit in widespread kidney disease among agricultural workers in Sri Lanka, India and Central America. It’s the best-selling herbicide in the world, according to the Ag Journal. And it was the most heavily used pesticide in the U.S. in 2007, according to the most recent numbers available from the EPA.
RE: Hawaii residents want pesticide alert!! - islandlvng - 04-27-2018
Tomk, you took the words right out of my mouth. Fed up with PaulW’s constant and continual arguing is putting it mildly. It’s getting quite petty and childish imho.
RE: Hawaii residents want pesticide alert!! - Rob Tucker - 04-27-2018
I understand that Roundup is gluten free.
RE: Hawaii residents want pesticide alert!! - PaulW - 04-27-2018
I’m still not seeing any evidence that Roundup is harmful, if you have reputable links please post.
How have I lost the ability to use the scientific method? By asking for evidence? Dismissing non-evidence?
RE: Hawaii residents want pesticide alert!! - kalakoa - 04-27-2018
Roundup, will soon to be banned in the Netherlands
So move to the Netherlands. I hear the weather is lovely there.
RE: Hawaii residents want pesticide alert!! - MarkD - 04-27-2018
"Fed up with PaulW’s constant and continual arguing..."
The poster only does it on certain topics he has a particular interest in. Just as I sometimes do.
This criticism reminds me of the quip about posting only if you can improve on the silence.
Many of us are here to discuss/debate the community issues of the day. Folks who want a sedate, controversy-free environment can always peruse a different thread.
The Gardening Section is available. Or go read a book. Many alternatives....
RE: Hawaii residents want pesticide alert!! - Obie - 04-27-2018
Here is a little report on the agency that first reported that glyphosate may cause cancer :
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/glyphosate-cancer-data/
They also put out this dandy :
https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2018/04/27/viewpoint-californias-coffee-cancer-label-isnt-backed-by-evidence-could-do-more-harm-than-good/
RE: Hawaii residents want pesticide alert!! - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 04-27-2018
And it was the most heavily used pesticide in the U.S. in 2007
And that may be the crux of the problem.
If it was used minimally, like 20-30 years ago, it probably wouldn't have created the far reaching exposure situation we have today. Farm workers are subjected to recent traces of spray in the fields, consumers with the residue found in corn based products, which for some people who eat a large amount of "food" containing corn syrup sweetener and corn flour can be substantial.
Roundup is now found almost everywhere there are people. The larger quantity used on crops may have something to do with the most recent studies.
I use roundup about three times a year in my yard. I don't think I'll get cancer at that rate of application. If I was a farm laborer working 12 months a year in fields sprayed regularly with the chemical, it might be different.
Portion of Hawaii’s drinking water that comes from underground wells : 9/10
Gallons of raw sewage that leak into the ground from Hawaii cesspools each day : 53,000,000 - Harper's Index
RE: Hawaii residents want pesticide alert!! - rainyjim - 04-27-2018
Obie, Thanks for reminding me of this thread...although the topic of the legislation is similar the bills are very different. Nonetheless, this post is still quite relevant, and amusing.
I'll leave it here for anyone it may benefit.
For those that don't know the IARC (INTERNATIONAL AGENCY FOR RESEARCH ON CANCER) - a branch of the World Health Organization, is the only agency that assesses cancer hazard rather than risk, which is a highly unusual practice and often misunderstood.
Recently, shady practices by the IARC (largely stemming from their findings on pesticides and lack of disclosure of internal processes) have brought some negative light too the IARC practices...
https://science.house.gov/news/press-releases/sst-committee-warns-iarc-glyphosate-report
quote:
Originally posted by rainyjim
I thought I would share a little regarding the recent IARC pesticide evaluations
The IARC assesses potential cancer hazards whereas various regulatory agencys around the world (EPA, FDA, USDA in the U.S.) assess cancer risks.
In light of this I think its appropriate to share the difference between hazards and risks.
A hazard is something with the potential to cause harm. For example,
Some hazards would be:
-Driving on the road
-Shaving your face
-Using a blowdryer
A risk is the chance you will be harmed. For example,
Some risks would be:
-Driving in a blizzard
-Shaving a bear
-Using a blowdryer while in the bathtub
Thank you, I hope this helps you understand the meaning of the IARC classifications.
Aloha mai kakou
RE: Hawaii residents want pesticide alert!! - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 04-27-2018
Some risks would be:
-Shaving a bear
Yes, but what part of the bear?
Portion of Hawaii’s drinking water that comes from underground wells : 9/10
Gallons of raw sewage that leak into the ground from Hawaii cesspools each day : 53,000,000 - Harper's Index