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RE: is the Mauna Kea blockade ethical? - TomK - 12-19-2019
I think that's a reasonable assumption, KeaauRich, but certainly can't confirm it's the case. You have to remember that the state and country have been incompetent when it comes to the TMT and Mauna Kea since late 2014 and personally, I see no evidence that has changed.
What happens in the next few days will be interesting. Do the protesters take over controlling access to the summit access road in the absence of law enforcement? Who's going to stop some hot-head causing trouble at the summit? How will the now legal and "free" access to the summit for everyone be assured and enforced? The access road is still blocked by the Kupuna tent, and as shown in the video Obie linked, by people who think they own the road.
I don't think this has been thought through at all.
RE: is the Mauna Kea blockade ethical? - MarkP - 12-20-2019
Boy, the stance of the County and State is extremely weak tea. They are allegedly doing this now because the TMT won't be coming. They should be upholding the law because the TMT WILL be coming, not because they won't be. There is a deadline for removal of the camp at least.
RE: is the Mauna Kea blockade ethical? - leilanidude - 12-20-2019
As long as protesters are there - the County or DLNR will keep some officers at the entrance to the summit road. They are simply going to stop the "extra enforcement" fiasco.
RE: is the Mauna Kea blockade ethical? - randomq - 12-20-2019
At least they are waiting till the 26th, to give the boys in blue a little extra overtime. Expensive gifts this year for all of our government servants...
RE: is the Mauna Kea blockade ethical? - terracore - 12-20-2019
"The number of tent structures seemed significantly reduced from the late summer/early fall presence"
I had somebody really slow in front of me a few days ago and got a really good long look. Most of the remaining tents/tarp structures appeared empty and look like they have been abandoned for some time. Or maybe they are just used for weekend getaways.
RE: is the Mauna Kea blockade ethical? - kalakoa - 12-20-2019
What happens in the next few days will be interesting.
No, what happens in the next few days will be wastefully expensive and stupid.
RE: is the Mauna Kea blockade ethical? - Punatic007 - 12-20-2019
Sometimes I think Ige and Kim are cowards as well as corrupt but for now, cowards. They were also too dumb also to figure out how to handle the protesters and made an agreement with TMT to postpone building and let the protesters wear themselves out and get cold this winter and also offered extra police protection at all times. Looks like it worked pretty well but at an insane expense of taxpayers and a horrible morale blow to the island by letting us know supreme court decisions mean nothing.
I was at a neighborhood meeting last night and a few "mauna" people were there, I.Q.'s around 80 at best. Gov and protesters both dumb as heck.
RE: is the Mauna Kea blockade ethical? - BillyB - 12-20-2019
Puhi Bay encampment move into the clouds.
RE: is the Mauna Kea blockade ethical? - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 12-20-2019
Here’s another possibility.
Ige played hands off with the Access Road protestors because it’s Big Island. The State doesn’t care.
Then, when the Oahu wind farm protestors assumed they could get away with camping in a public road too, the wheels of government finally started turning because, oh, now it’s Oahu, and it’s affecting those on Oahu. Can’t have that. The wind farm protestors were arrested and removed pronto. The TMT protestors are next.
Ige had hoped what happened on Big Island stayed on Big Island, so he and his cohorts could live in blissful ignorance. It didn’t work out that way in the long run.
RE: is the Mauna Kea blockade ethical? - kalakoa - 12-20-2019
Ige had hoped what happened on Big Island stayed on Big Island
If it's really that inconvenient, Ige should let the Big Island become its own state.