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RE: Forced vaccinations - bystander - 02-03-2016
HB1946/SB2393 is an interesting bill. I've read several blogs that say this bill if passed would force vaccinations on every man, woman, and child within 90 days of passing. I read the actual bill and I don't know if that's really true. Can someone maybe a lawyer take a look at it at the link below?
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?year=2016&billtype=SB&billnumber=2393
These are some quotes I found about the bill. Are these people misinformed or fear mongering?
http://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog
quote:
Hawaiian House Bill 1946/Senate Bill 2393 mandates all federally mandated vaccines within 90 days. This law has the potential to become effective July 1, 2016. In an unprecedented move, the current law being amended will be applied to children and adults in Hawaii. If HB 1946/SB 2393 pass, the mandate will trump all other rules and procedures on the books and give Hawaii’s Director of Health the power to force all federally mandated vaccines upon the population within 90 days.
quote:
HB 1946 and SB 2393 would require that the state director of health implement rules for vaccine requirements for the state of Hawaii that codify federal recommendations by the ACIP (Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices) within 90 days of the recommendation.
RE: Forced vaccinations - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 02-03-2016
“Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.”
-Mr. Spock. Weighing in on the issue from outer space, Star Date 8130.4
"How we spend our days is, of course, how we spend our lives." -Annie Dillard
RE: Forced vaccinations - bystander - 02-03-2016
Is everyone ignoring me on the forum?
I'm asking about the bill because I know people who are frightened of it. Here's more quotes I found. People are reading these and getting scared.
quote:
"HB 1946 and SB 2393, to mandate all federally recommended vaccines for HI, were introduced on 1/25/2016. SB 2393 was referred to the Senate Committees on Commerce and Public Health and Judiciary and Labor. HB 1946 is sponsored by Rep. BELATTI, KOBAYASHI and MORIKAWA. SB 2393 is sponsored by Senators BAKER, CHUN OAKLAND, DELA CRUZ, KIDANI, NISHIHARA, SHIMABUKURO, TOKUDA, Espero, Keith-Agaran and Kim.
If these bills pass, all vaccines that are federally recommended by the ACIP (Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices) would be mandated in Hawaii. The current law being amended, 325-32 does not apply to just children in school, it applies to all ages"
quote:
Bill: (HB 1946 & SB 2393) – “Mandate all federally recommended vaccines within 90 days”
**This is for children of all ages, regardless if they are attending school yet or not. This law would go into effect on July 1, 2016**
RE: Forced vaccinations - TomK - 02-03-2016
Is everyone ignoring me on the forum?
Probably not, but maybe they're as confused as I am. This is the link you gave:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?year=2016&billtype=SB&billnumber=2393
which leads to this pdf file:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2016/bills/SB2393_.PDF
and then you quote this (presumably from the other link you gave):
"HB 1946 and SB 2393 would require that the state director of health implement rules for vaccine requirements for the state of Hawaii that codify federal recommendations by the ACIP (Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices) within 90 days of the recommendation."
As a simple check to see if the quote was from the original link you gave, I searched for "mandate" in it and can't find it in the bill.
I'm not a lawyer, but I'm having trouble understanding exactly what you are asking or what source the information is coming from or where.
RE: Forced vaccinations - PaulW - 02-03-2016
Why on earth would you believe nonsense posted by some crackpot on the internet? Read the bill for yourself.
RE: Forced vaccinations - TomK - 02-03-2016
I'm hoping that's not aimed at me.
RE: Forced vaccinations - PaulW - 02-03-2016
No, that Jefferey Jaxen, his bio is hilarious.
RE: Forced vaccinations - bystander - 02-04-2016
Like I said, I did read the bill and can't find any reference to mandated or forced vaccinations. It just sounds like recommendations. Yet you can read these quotes I posted and many others like it by googling the bills and on Facebook. It's not just on the Jaxen blog. Some of the specifics such as the 90 days are in the bill but how they got to forced vaccinations for everyone is beyond me. Some people really believe it means forced vaccinations. It's an internet meme or rumor that has spread.
Whether you are pro or anti vaccine, don't you think it's interesting how this rumor spread? If it was started by the anti vaccine people, then it's some clever propaganda. Now people will oppose and testify against this bill not knowing what it really means.
http://vaccineimpact.com/2016/required-gardasil-vaccine-and-others-could-turn-hawaii-into-americas-only-forced-vaccination-state/
quote:
I urge you to OPPOSE HB 1946 and SB 2393 which, by replacing the word “may” with “shall,” would require that the state director of health implement rules for vaccine requirements for the state of Hawaii that codify federal recommendations by the ACIP (Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices) within 90 days of the recommendation. These apply to everyone, not just school children. SB 2393 is scheduled for a hearing Feb. 4, 2016 at 9:00 AM in the Senate Committee on Commerce, Consumer Protection, and Health in conference room 229.
RE: Forced vaccinations - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 02-04-2016
Like I said, I did read the bill and can't find any reference to mandated or forced vaccinations... Some of the specifics such as the 90 days are in the bill but how they got to forced vaccinations for everyone is beyond me.
Fear, exaggeration, and imagination are what create the anti-vax blogs, as well as their supporting quotes and comments. There is an art to how these things are written. First they must contain some element of truth so a portion of what you read can actually be found in the bill. Then it appears the blog and followup comments contain "facts," which provide it with an element of legitimacy. Now the writer will add two, or at most three additional statements which may not be true, but promote his/her beliefs and agenda. If these comments are minimal, it will be more difficult to disprove the article or statement an outright lie, as it's backers can point to the parts that are correct, to misdirect the conversation away from what is false and cannot reasonably be defended with evidence.
If the anti-vaxxers can do this with a simple bill only a few paragraphs in length, you need to ask yourself, what exaggerations may have been made with with long, detailed research about vaccines, and their positive or negative affects? That is how we have arrived at this point in the discussion.
"How we spend our days is, of course, how we spend our lives." -Annie Dillard
RE: Forced vaccinations - bystander - 02-04-2016
I try to calm down these people who are afraid of this bill by pointing out what it actually says. This is an amendment to HRS 325-32. It changes the word "may" to "shall" in the section below. Now these people say this somehow will make the vaccines mandatory. They say the legislature is in collusion with the pharma industry and are trying to hide this in the language of the bill. That's why I asked if a lawyer could take a look to dispel this.
HRS 325-32
quote:
The department may adopt, amend, or repeal rules pursuant to chapter 91 to establish a list of specific vaccines that are available or may become available.