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RE: Building with No Permit? - Kapohocat - 07-20-2013
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Originally posted by Sun
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Originally posted by Carey
Sun is new, so probably does not know who you are, but obviously wants to move away from Waikiki, and into a Puna of ....well, most likely old tales that Sun has heard...but the reality is, Puna HAS changed from tales of yore... most likely Sun does not KNOW of the 'House of Cards"or many of the other things mentioned here...and thinks there are a whole lot of "lobbyist" here in Puna...
Good luck with your move, Sun & may the tales of yore be what you find here!
I am new, are you old?
I am sorry in this case, I am with Sun in that we may not have a large quantity of lobbyists or they may not even be "official registered lobbyists" but the big cheeses at HPM, Honsador, etc were definitely lobbying as were GC's IMHO.
RE: Building with No Permit? - Carey - 07-20-2013
Gee Cat, you're with Sun on his post that I'm OLD??? (just punning with you....as I AM old!)
Although I do know there are lobbyist on island & even may be in Puna, I really do doubt that most of the Hawaii Island lobbyists are in Puna & on Punaweb... & Sun was starting to ask if anyone that disagreed with Sun, including Rob & myself, were lobbyists...as if that is the worst thing I have ever been called....NOT!....'course nor is calling me old.... many days I FEEL older 'n dirt...
Sun, Please look at a a few more of the posts by people like Kapohocat, Rob, (heck even me) & you will see that we are not all for big city stuff... but if you do decide to move here & do things that are not within code, or do anything else, THAT IS YOUR CHOICE, but there may be more work & a lot more cost correcting anything that is done in violation,...if your choice is not fine with YOUR neighbor...
I have always advise that if you do decide not to build to code, make sure that you know your neighbor (helps if the neighbor is indebted to you)...as they are probably the only ones that would care to report you... the building dept has not shown that, right now, it is looking for violations, but if they are reported, they will pursue violations...
RE: Building with No Permit? - kalakoa - 07-21-2013
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Originally posted by Carey
I have always advise that if you do decide not to build to code, make sure that you know your neighbor (helps if the neighbor is indebted to you)...as they are probably the only ones that would care to report you... the building dept has not shown that, right now, it is looking for violations, but if they are reported, they will pursue violations...
Hedge your bets: if you build something unpermitted, make it compliant and you might be able to get forgiveness later.
That said, you can't control the future neighbors -- and they're usually worse. People who already live there "know the deal", but new transplants tend to mistake "ag" subdivisions for a "residential neighborhood", next thing you know they're complaining about your chickens or something equally inane. (This is how the problems started at SPACE.)
RE: Building with No Permit? - gogould - 07-23-2013
Density of housing and the state of the economy have a lot to do with building codes. I have seen what happens here in Alaska in areas that start with no building codes at all. It is a natural human progression that takes place.
The rural areas people usually have larger parcels of land and often not much money. They build out of pocket often over a long period of time. They raise kids, drive cars, live life. An affordable life their way. When they have extra money they build when they don't they don't. People generally have dreams of what they want and strive to achieve them. The people with more money build what they want right away. Often they build better than code. Those places drive the standards up some. When the economy improves overall it is a delayed response but homes improve.
I have been surprised many times over the years at what an awesome job people do over the course of time. There are always stunning examples of people doing it wrong. It is a natural event that when enough people improve their places then a different attitude comes into play. Density increases and rules multiply. The more casual homeowners are unhappy and move to a place where they are no longer being harassed or grumbling all the way they comply.
RE: Building with No Permit? - Guest - 07-25-2013
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Originally posted by Carey
Gee Cat, you're with Sun on his post that I'm OLD??? (just punning with you....as I AM old!)
Although I do know there are lobbyist on island & even may be in Puna, I really do doubt that most of the Hawaii Island lobbyists are in Puna & on Punaweb... & Sun was starting to ask if anyone that disagreed with Sun, including Rob & myself, were lobbyists...as if that is the worst thing I have ever been called....NOT!....'course nor is calling me old.... many days I FEEL older 'n dirt...
Sun, Please look at a a few more of the posts by people like Kapohocat, Rob, (heck even me) & you will see that we are not all for big city stuff... but if you do decide to move here & do things that are not within code, or do anything else, THAT IS YOUR CHOICE, but there may be more work & a lot more cost correcting anything that is done in violation,...if your choice is not fine with YOUR neighbor...
I have always advise that if you do decide not to build to code, make sure that you know your neighbor (helps if the neighbor is indebted to you)...as they are probably the only ones that would care to report you... the building dept has not shown that, right now, it is looking for violations, but if they are reported, they will pursue violations...
Thanks for the advice, if you believe that codes exist to make you safer I can't change your belief. I have been a builder for 31 years so I don't think I will have difficulty building anything. Many tradesmen that I have had to work around have done work that homeowners would do better themselves had they read books and figured it out for themselves. I thought we have constitutional rights in this country? Now you can't even build your own home? Try to stop me.
Sure neighbors can be problematic and they may have chickens/animals etc. but with all of my charms and wit (see past posts haha) I can win anyone over eventually. If you build a tiny single wall home you can always add the electrical and plumbing later because the walls are open. People shouldn't be forced into borrowing from bankers and paying for the rest of their lives...there is much more to life than working to pay interest to these parasites.
I don't think it wise to build a large expensive house at the foot of the biggest volcano in the world anyway. A tiny house with covered outdoor living area is much less expensive. Who knows where the next flow will go? I prefer to keep it tiny in footprint and eco-impact.
What is wrong with that?
RE: Building with No Permit? - unknownjulie - 07-26-2013
I agree with the sentiments of "Sun" expressed in the post. From an economic standpoint, building something small and unpermitted that is sellable for cash doesnt seem to hurt the builder (if you dont get caught by the county)- BUT I have been looking at realestate and have seen NUMEROUS nice big houses that are not permitted! I come away thinking "What the heck were these people thinking?". You can't get financing for an unpermitted house due to not being able to get homeowners insurance that is required (usually, and I know some properties manage to "fly under the radar"). This severely restricts your pool of buyers, and why would someone do that to themselves? Also, I have yet to hear of any homeowners insurance that you can get for lava. A flow of lava would be a total loss! I agree with limiting the amount of money put into houses in lava flow areas.