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RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - TomK - 07-29-2019
Leilanidude,
"Couldn't the existing observatories sue the state and county for failing to keep the road accessible?"
Already discussed. See my post on page 36 of this thread:
"Punatic007 - yes, it's a ridiculous situation, but can assure there's an awful lot going on behind the scenes that I really can't comment on here. As for suing, well, yes, it has certainly come up in discussions, but there are some serious hurdles. I think ironyak commented on one example earlier, but one other example is if the state was sued, then because some observatories are owned by the UH, then the state would be suing the state, which really isn't going to fly..."
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-29-2019
put traffic light in at Mauna Kea Access road.
It’s a good first step.
Then when protestors get accustomed to using it, move the light up near the cattle grate so construction equipment, astronomers, and techs can drive through on green.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - TomK - 07-29-2019
I think the only thing that will make this situation even more bizarre is if the HDOT give control of the traffic lights to the protesters. Don't think this isn't a possibility.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - reni - 07-30-2019
rainyjim,
"I don’t understand that statement by BIVN, but hey - what else is new?"
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Yes, very murky
The source is BIVN...... the statement comes from the State & is avail. on other sources.... This source is Big Island Now
UPDATE: July 30, 2019, 6:12 AM
"The Hawai‘i Department of Land & Natural Resources released an update this morning:
“In order to enable at least some access by observatory technicians, limited access has been granted to cultural practitioners blocking the road. The observatories are not parties to this conversation.”
We may (?!!) be able to obtain more information regarding open/ limited access or denial of access affecting all parties by following the Hearings that start on Thur. and whether Ige extends his emergency proclamation on Friday or not.
"Ige’s emergency proclamation over Mauna Kea gave law enforcement broad powers to restrict access to the mountain, which many Native Hawaiians consider sacred.
Plaintiffs are asking the court to void Ige’s emergency order as well as declare that he is in violation of the state constitution and Hawaii’s emergency proclamation law."
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - macuu222 - 07-30-2019
Hey... Jack Johnson in concert this morning on Mauna Kea.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/07/30/breaking-news/musician-jack-johnson-visits-mauna-kea-for-a-jam-session-with-tmt-opponents/
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - reni - 07-30-2019
HUGE NEWS.....
Guess it wasn't looking too good for the State on Thursday
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/07/30/state-gives-thirty-meter-telescope-more-years-start-construction/
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-30-2019
A two year construction extension through summer storms and then winter weather?
Protestors better plan on Protecting their okole with some serious arctic weather gear from The North Face or Patagonia.
Get the goose down, not duck. Nene geese and hence geese in general are more native.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - terracore - 07-30-2019
I've driven by this area several times and each time it seems larger and more permanent. Today there looked to be hundreds of temporary structures including tents, HPM tarp structures, carports, etc. There were some larger temporary structures that looked like they were rented (like what one might use for a wedding / reception, etc) but I don't know what the use is.
Are these on public land? Permitted? Just curious. It doesn't look like the area is being designated for "peaceful protest", it looks more like semi-permanent dwellings being allowed to sprawl during hurricane season.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - randomq - 07-30-2019
Call the fire marshal, if he is done harassing the Hilo farmers' market...
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - macuu222 - 07-30-2019
Ending the emergency proclamation and extending the construction period still doesn't help the 500 employees that still can't get to work.