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RE: Greggor V Russell - kalakoa - 07-25-2016
park spending is the mind of the good old boy network of contractors, unions, and their supporting politicians
A sewage treatment plant would create just as many jobs (if not more) while encouraging private investment and allowing uses (eg, medical) that aren't currently possible.
RE: Greggor V Russell - 2liveque - 07-30-2016
Holy Greggorsville Batman! There's a Greggor sign at every corner! Shaka Shaka roll'em shaka!
Illagan's got the full court press here in the fourth quarter. Appears to be getting stronger as the game goes on.
Russell will need to answer.
Greggor pulls forward with 3 minutes left in the fourth.
RE: Greggor V Russell - opihikao - 08-01-2016
quote:lol....[
Originally posted by 2liveque
Holy Greggorsville Batman! There's a Greggor sign at every corner! Shaka Shaka roll'em shaka!
Illagan's got the full court press here in the fourth quarter. Appears to be getting stronger as the game goes on.
Russell will need to answer.
Greggor pulls forward with 3 minutes left in the fourth.
]
RE: Greggor V Russell - opihikao - 08-01-2016
FYI: (Since it's not posted yet...Snipped - More at link)
http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/ruderman-ilagan-campaign-funds-about-equal
State Sen. Russell Ruderman and challenger Hawaii County Councilman Greggor Ilagan were running about neck and neck in spending as they neared the home stretch of their campaigns.
Ruderman, who is largely self-funding his re-election bid, spent $35,174.14 from July 1, 2015, through June 30, according to state campaign finance records.
Meanwhile, Ilagan, who has represented Puna makai on the County Council since 2012, spent $38,265.48 during the same period. That includes $2,620 donated for college scholarships.
Ilagan announced his candidacy for Senate District 2, which includes Puna and parts of Ka‘u, last August.
Ruderman, a Democrat and the owner of Island Naturals, was keeping up in campaign spending with an infusion of his own cash. He had loaned his campaign $35,000 during that same time period, which made up the bulk of his $50,386.20 in receipts.
Ilagan, 30, who also is running as a Democrat, raised $36,117.54 from July 1, 2015, through June 30, with $1,160.04 left in the bank.
Ruderman, 62, who was first elected in 2012, had $20,447.24 remaining in his campaign fund, giving him an edge in the last month before the Aug. 13 primary.
Both have received donations from outside Senate District 2 and have their share of Oahu donors.
But Ruderman, who has highlighted fundraising as an issue in the campaign, is able to claim a greater share of his money from Puna and Pahala, mainly because of his own contributions.
“I think it’s in high relief between me and my opponent,” he said, regarding sources of their donations.
Ruderman said “90 percent” of his funds come from the district he represents. “For my opponent, it’s the exact opposite.”
Such statements are difficult to verify since individual donors are only reported if they contribute at least $100 in total.
Ruderman received $17,214.32 in donations above that mark since being elected in 2012.
Of that, $7,261.45, or 42 percent, came from District 2 residents and $5,677.87, or 33 percent, came off-island.
If you add in the $35,000 he loaned his campaign, then the District 2 share jumps to 81 percent.
Ilagan received $35,792.54 in donations above $100 since his last council campaign in 2014.
Of that, $7,842.54, or 22 percent, came from within District 2’s boundaries and $8,500, or about 24 percent, came off-island.
Ilagan’s donors with Oahu addresses include some labor groups and former state Rep. Blake Oshiro, who gave $500, among others.
Ilagan also received $500 from Kouchi for Senate. Sen. Ron Kouchi of Kauai, who also is the Senate president, organized a fundraiser in Honolulu.
“When I announced, people said to contact the Senate president,” Ilagan said. “I gave him a call. He said, ‘OK, if you’re serious about this I’m more than happy to help you out.’”
Ruderman voted against Kouchi in a Senate leadership contest.
He lost his chairmanship of the Agriculture Committee during the following leadership shuffle.
Ruderman noted that regimes come and go at the Legislature. He said he takes it as a compliment that Kouchi is backing his challenger and that it shows he is willing to challenge the status quo.
“The fact they have talked someone into unseating me, I’m very proud of that,” Ruderman said.
Ruderman has been critical of legislators holding fundraisers during the legislative session.
But his fundraiser notices show that he held one in Hilo last March while lawmakers were still in session.
Ruderman said no lobbyists were present.
He said he would be glad to follow a rule prohibiting in-session fundraisers. “I’ll follow this rule if it’s the rule,” Ruderman said.
Ruderman has been critical of corporate money in elections, telling the Tribune-Herald that they create a “corrupted version of (democracy).” But even he is not immune to donations from lobbyists, whether solicited or not.
His campaign finance records show he received $250 from beer maker Anheuser-Busch, $200 from Matson and $350 from Alexander &Baldwin.
Asked about the Alexander &Baldwin donation, Ruderman said he was looking at how to return it.
Rolling my eyes...to all of it, if true. Still going with Mr. Ilagan; Mr. Ruderman has very little to offer my ohana and community, in my view. Mr. Ilagan may be young, but no slouch.
JMO.
P.S. LMAO at Ruderman returning A&B's donation. OMG. [xx(]
RE: Greggor V Russell - imemine - 08-02-2016
quote:I think Greggor is pro corporate agribusiness pro GMO pro geothermal not in touch with Puna its people or their needs. Just a wannabe high-rolling Honolulu wheeler and dealer that will use a position as representative of Puna to further the corporate motives of foreign interests not just in Puna but statewide. I'm way sorry to hear you're swayed by his illusions. Way sorry.
Originally posted by opihikao
Still going with Mr. Ilagan; Mr. Ruderman has very little to offer my ohana and community, in my view. Mr. Ilagan may be young, but no slouch.
RE: Greggor V Russell - ericlp - 08-02-2016
https://www.facebook.com/friendsofgreggor/videos/1767715526844362/
Pahoa Park
It takes collaboration and working closely together to make projects like these possible. Here's a sneak peek of the P#257;hoa Regional Park that will open in early September. As your next State Senator, I plan to work with my colleagues and the community to fund more projects beyond parks in Puna and Ka#699;#363;.
RE: Greggor V Russell - opihikao - 08-02-2016
quote:Well, I respect your opinion. Nine (9) Mayors later, sixteen (16) County Councils later, I'm entitled to my personal opinion.
Originally posted by imemine
quote:I think Greggor is pro corporate agribusiness pro GMO pro geothermal not in touch with Puna its people or their needs. Just a wannabe high-rolling Honolulu wheeler and dealer that will use a position as representative of Puna to further the corporate motives of foreign interests not just in Puna but statewide. I'm way sorry to hear you're swayed by his illusions. Way sorry.
Originally posted by opihikao
Still going with Mr. Ilagan; Mr. Ruderman has very little to offer my ohana and community, in my view. Mr. Ilagan may be young, but no slouch.
Don't be sorry at all. I'm and old dog, and don't succumb to frivolous politics. Our community is better served by those who understand the big picture, as it were.
Now, what office are you running for? Or, were you just kidding? I could care less about the elected officials and their agendas. I do care about Puna. Period.
Welcome to our world. What is right will drop out the bottom, as they say. Our ohana has been here for 8-9 generations. We aren't going anywhere, and hope that there is some "fracking" sensible decisions made for future generations. That is my charge via Kupuna. We are very "in touch with our needs" (ALL of us, not just blood ohana).
Pau.
JMO.
P.S. Best wishes in your campaign. No disrespect meant.
ETA: P.S.S. Did you not see the A&B donation to Ruderman, that he's trying to "return"....LMAO! Seriously, think about it. OK, now pau.
RE: Greggor V Russell - HiloPuna - 08-03-2016
IMemine
You write;
"....Greggor is pro corporate agribusiness pro GMO pro geothermal not in touch with Puna its people or their needs. Just a wannabe high-rolling Honolulu wheeler and dealer..."
Just a little hyperbole don't ya think? Uhh, nice use of demonization of what is for the most part a bunch of family farmers, the Puna papaya crop. As far as "pro GMO" I recall Greggors position was based on perhaps another use of the "Precautionary Principle"; don't pass laws that aren't based on fact and thouroughly vetted.
"Not in touch"....really? You think everyone in Puna looks and thinks like you? If so you have to get out more, then perhaps you'll not characterize East Hawaii's polyglot of natives, kammaina and malahinis. Finally, "wheeler dealer"! I don't see too much film flam in the guy, if anything he seems more naively sincere than crafty and self serving. I wish he was better educated and had more seasoning before trying to move up to the Senate, but he is obviously ambitious. Locally that can be construed negatively, the whole a'ama crab metaphor, but 99% of life is showing up and Greggor seems to do a lot of that.
All that said I'm backing Russell even though we disagree on some big issues....our history and relationship means more than whatever merits Greggor may bring to the table.
RE: Greggor V Russell - HiloPuna - 08-03-2016
IMemine
You write;
"....Greggor is pro corporate agribusiness pro GMO pro geothermal not in touch with Puna its people or their needs. Just a wannabe high-rolling Honolulu wheeler and dealer..."
Just a little hyperbole don't ya think? Uhh, nice use of demonization of what is for the most part a bunch of family farmers, the Puna papaya crop. As far as "pro GMO" I recall Greggors position was based on perhaps another use of the "Precautionary Principle"; don't pass laws that aren't based on fact and thouroughly vetted.
"Not in touch"....really? You think everyone in Puna looks and thinks like you? If so you have to get out more, then perhaps you'll not characterize East Hawaii's polyglot of natives, kammaina and malahinis. Finally, "wheeler dealer"! I don't see too much film flam in the guy, if anything he seems more naively sincere than crafty and self serving. I wish he was better educated and had more seasoning before trying to move up to the Senate, but he is obviously ambitious. Locally that can be construed negatively, the whole a'ama crab metaphor, but 99% of life is showing up and Greggor seems to do a lot of that.
All that said I'm backing Russell even though we disagree on some big issues....our history and relationship means more than whatever merits Greggor may bring to the table.
RE: Greggor V Russell - Chunkster - 08-03-2016
For me it wasn't an easy choice, but I went for Ruderman. His woo-woo pseudo-science emphasis early on really turned me off, but he has eased back on that. Ruderman's GMO position smacked of conflict of interest, and his thing about fracking in Hawaii was just plain silly. But Ilagan has NOT been a shining star on the council, despite what HiloPuna quite correctly describes as a well-reasoned vote against the county GMO ordinance. Young Greggor has not delivered anything to Puna other than the low-hanging fruit of Kenoi's debt-financed park building spree. And having been at the meetings where the HPP park was parsed out, I can tell you that most of the work was done by people other than Ilagan and a lot of people didn't want it. As a council rep, he has not had any major pieces of legislation passed, particularly in regard to fuel tax sharing with the Puna subdivisions' road operations. Greggor has been a lightweight on the council, and now he wants to be senator.
And then there are Ilagan's connections. He has accepted major financing from the good old boy senate leadership that is a big part of the reason that Puna has been neglected so long. He has gushed over Billy Kenoi in open council session expressing his "highest respect for you, both personally and professionally." REALLY? The klepto mayor has admitted misuse of the p-Card and paid back tens of thousands of dollars in inappropriate charges. Ilagan describes the Shipman interests as "partners." That's fine, and he's entitled to partner with anyone he wishes. I don't see the Shipmans as devils incarnate, but they have their own very specific agenda, and it doesn't always coincide with the greater interests of Puna.
I see Ilagan in the senate being patronized by the party leadership and quietly "waiting his turn" without ever getting anything. Ruderman might not get anything either, but will at least speak up for us and occasionally poke a figurative finger in their eyes. And who knows? In the Byzantine back-stabbing world of Hawaii Democratic politics, there might be another change in leadership and Ruderman could end up on top.