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RE: New fee when you visit Maku'u Farmers market - mearth11 - 05-12-2014
Hi, Snorkle -- Please read what I write before attacking. Peace, please. There are other ways to make money than exploiting our reliance on cars.
RE: New fee when you visit Maku'u Farmers market - csgray - 05-12-2014
This would not fall under a change of use. The original applications for the Maku'u site included far more than the current market because it was always planned for a much wider range of uses than just a market. The market was always planned as a vehicle to fund the other community uses. Any private parking lot can charge for parking without triggering a DOT traffic study, because it is still a parking lot.
I cannot believe how much whining and bombast is going on about the market trying to fund a community center that was always planned for this site. The first plan was to apply for federal grants for the building, but those have mostly dried up. Would the complainers prefer that people be forced to pay for the community center through their federal taxes, or that free enterprise and market forces pay for that center? If you are willing to help fund the community center, go to Maku'u. If you don't want to fund it, go to another market. It really isn't that complicated, and it certainly is not the nefarious plot to bankrupt seniors and market venders that some imply. This is why it is so hard to get the needs of Puna met through community efforts, anytime someone tries to raise money locally to get something going the whiners come crawling out of the wood work and want it stopped.
Carol
RE: New fee when you visit Maku'u Farmers market - kalakoa - 05-12-2014
anytime someone tries to raise money locally to get something going the whiners come crawling out of the wood work and want it stopped.
Yes, exactly this -- because it's only "fair" if the rules are applied equally.
If a "private" parking lot can charge for parking, then it should be perfectly okay to set up a tollbooth and charge for use of "private" roads. You know, to raise money for maintenance and other community programs. Because all the federal grants have dried up.
RE: New fee when you visit Maku'u Farmers market - snorkle - 05-12-2014
mearth11,
Sorry if you took my response as an "attack". I don't mean to offend or hurt feelings. I honestly don't understand how going to the Maku'u Market is any more of an exploitation of our need for cars than going anywhere else. I don't understand how their parking charge is exploitive, either. You have a choice of venues. You don't have to pay at the Pahoa Market, but you still have to drive there.
What is an exploitation, is the blatant lack of transportation alternatives to automobiles. Talk to your councilperson.
RE: New fee when you visit Maku'u Farmers market - kalakoa - 05-12-2014
You have a choice of venues. ... the blatant lack of transportation alternatives
Farmers' markets in "private" subdivsions would be within walking/bicycle (and quad, for that matter) distance for many people ... so of course they were all shut down, because to do otherwise would not be "fair" to SPACE, of course.
RE: New fee when you visit Maku'u Farmers market - Tink - 05-12-2014
You could always barter within. John has chickens and eggs, but needs lettuce and spinach, Louie has veggies, but needs beef....
Are you a human being, or a human doing?
RE: New fee when you visit Maku'u Farmers market - Derrick Barnicoat - 05-12-2014
quote:
Originally posted by kalakoa
anytime someone tries to raise money locally to get something going the whiners come crawling out of the wood work and want it stopped.
Yes, exactly this -- because it's only "fair" if the rules are applied equally.
If a "private" parking lot can charge for parking, then it should be perfectly okay to set up a tollbooth and charge for use of "private" roads. You know, to raise money for maintenance and other community programs. Because all the federal grants have dried up.
Is this not okay? Or has this not even been proposed at any community board meetings? I think it would be obnoxious if I were having guests over for dinner and they had to pay to get into the subdivision. I would't want to live someplace like that. But a market…people go there to buy stuff so to ask for a dollar is quite normal. To not have to pay a dollar is nice but a dollar is not going to financially cripple anyone who was coming to buy stuff anyway.
RE: New fee when you visit Maku'u Farmers market - kalakoa - 05-12-2014
it would be obnoxious if I were having guests over for dinner and they had to pay to get into the subdivision
It's obnoxious when the public uses "private" subdivision roads to get around congestion on the (public-funded) highway.
Charging market vendors (who already pay for their space) is almost as offensive as paying for parking while you pay your taxes.
Better that it should be "fair". Pay to park at the 7-11 or Foodland...
RE: New fee when you visit Maku'u Farmers market - KeaauRich - 05-12-2014
@Derrick: Subdivisions cannot restrict access to their communities because their roads are officially considered "public" roads. Subdivisions cannot get county funds for road maintenance because they are also officially considered "private" roads. Got it?
In Orchidland, all owners own a fractional part of the TMK that encompasses Orchidland roads, so in effect the County is denying the owners say-so over use of their property. Welcome to the Big Island!
Having said all that, I agree that if Maku'u wants to charge a fee, that's their right. If customers don't like it, they can vote with their pocketbook. I, for one, think we all have bigger fish to fry than this...
RE: New fee when you visit Maku'u Farmers market - Derrick Barnicoat - 05-12-2014
It would definitely be more fair to give vendors a pass of some sort if they are charging for vending space. Yeah the the privately funded public roads are as much of a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, shrouded in an illusions as the federal reserve, whoops, off topic.
Are the customers at Maku'u mostly local or are they tourists? Just asking