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RE: Another Home Invasion in HPP - DTisme - 07-12-2014
I was struck by the fact that the perps in both home invasions entered through "open" doors. Now whether the police meant OPEN open, or just unlocked, I don't know. (and, uh, it would be nice if we DID know) So to add to Kathy's list: lock your doors. Lock your doors when you go out, lock your doors when you are out in your yard out of sight-line, and lock them at night. I happen to close my windows, too, bc I don't like wet night air, but I know others love their windows open, and it's just like saying, "Look, easy in!" The bad guys will even use your own ladders to enter a 2nd-story window. Any police would tell you to keep your place locked, and so many people don't.
RE: Another Home Invasion in HPP - fishenjim - 07-12-2014
Right you are edge if the antelope were all armed the lion would still go for the feeble ones. Figuring still his best chance of success. If the thieves see terra with his headless chicken or eagle with his dobies or or 6 foot 2 200 pound somewhat crazed looking fishenjim in the front yard. And down the road is the 85 year old in the neck brace and glaucoma Sun glasses I don't think he spends much time considering who may be armed. And also a Lolly pop for Mr Tucker. Sad that the moderator has to point out the most obvious root of the problem. I was wondering since the O P when some one might notice that white elephant standing in the corner. I'm far to new to Puna to understand the meth / police relationship here. I know from past experiences on the mainland what sort of action is required to stop the meth epidemic. I saw first hand in the south east how all consuming the law enforcement struggle was against meth and Oxy. One thing Though I think you missed a bit Rob to be successful they have to teach those mouth breathers how to kick. Along with the enforcement needs to be real rehab. You can't just throw these people into the sea. Rehab has come along way now that they have so many addicts to practice on. They are able to learn their just hard to teach. IMO
RE: Another Home Invasion in HPP - missydog1 - 07-12-2014
quote:You're right, DT, of course. I forgot that, but yes, the police do recommend locking up. They talk about louver windows because they are easy to get through even when they are locked. There have been news stories on TV and in paper on that issue.
Originally posted by DTisme
I was struck by the fact that the perps in both home invasions entered through "open" doors. Now whether the police meant OPEN open, or just unlocked, I don't know. (and, uh, it would be nice if we DID know) So to add to Kathy's list: lock your doors. Lock your doors when you go out, lock your doors when you are out in your yard out of sight-line, and lock them at night. I happen to close my windows, too, bc I don't like wet night air, but I know others love their windows open, and it's just like saying, "Look, easy in!" The bad guys will even use your own ladders to enter a 2nd-story window. Any police would tell you to keep your place locked, and so many people don't.
It was old style here not to lock doors or close windows even leaving the property. Some older people have a hard time with adjusting to the new paranoia.
I'm sure that my list wasn't complete. Please do add, folks.
I had a nice discussion recently with Lt. Horio in Hilo, who runs the community policing (for Hilo). He told me that the number of home invasions had dropped significantly due to them busting one guy (or group) who was responsible for most of them.
The police are well aware that cleaning up with these types of offenders is a good thing. We talked about how things that seem obvious to me about one guy being a troublemaker, is not something they can act on, because they're constrained by rules of what they witness, what they can accept from others as basis for a warrant.
I remember a Puna officer who was talking to me about evidence, used as an example that a judge won't give a warrant on a drug house unless the informant has personally seen the activity in a very short time frame. Otherwise it's stale information, and they can believe it, but they can't get a judge behind it.
I'm not an apologist for the police force here or the chief (about whom I know nothing), but when I get frustrated with them, it's a good reminder when they talk about how our rights still hold, all of our rights, including the meth heads. Yes they could do better if we lived in a police state, but I can't wish for that.
RE: Another Home Invasion in HPP - missydog1 - 07-12-2014
quote:wow, this is just nasty. Are you the same guy who started out here talking about being mindful and giving back?
Originally posted by Oneself
All this is is a bunch of hypocrites who want to whine about stuff but do no action. Talk a good story. lol My local friend calls you people Wa-Ha. (probably spelled that wrong)
There is some on every forum and Puna is no different.
"Oh no theres home invasions"
But you don't want to do anything about it, some of you guys don't even want street lights, and then have the firkin nerve to talk trash about those that would protect themselves and their family.
If you are too punk to even stand up for yourselves agains punk thieves, you think I care what you say ?
YOU are the enablers. YOU enable thieves to rob your homes. YOU stand by and watch them. YOU let them terrorize your neighbors AND your neighborhoods. YOU give justification to their actions, because if YOU do not care enough to protect your own homes, why should the crack head care if he punches your grandma in the face for a few dollars? YOU are just as guilty as them. YOU have been enabling it for TOO LONG.
I thought people were giving you too much of a hard time at first, but after seeing this, I agree. You don't belong here. Whether or not you last, I guarantee you, your plans to change things here are delusions.
I really hate it when people move here for the weather, climate, plants and then start trashing the people and the culture.
I hardly ever feel the need to blast someone here, but this post was simply ugly.
RE: Another Home Invasion in HPP - Punaperson - 07-12-2014
In response to oneself:
Thank you for not moving into my neighborhood.
RE: Another Home Invasion in HPP - lavalava - 07-12-2014
I cannot wait for all the baby boomers to leave us and take with them their indulgent point of view. Hawaii is changing whether you like it or not. Bunch of bleeding heart cry babies.
RE: Another Home Invasion in HPP - missydog1 - 07-12-2014
Of course Hawai'i is changing. I hope it's evolving. Change is part of existence.
But one person moving over from the mainland is full of hubris if he thinks his coming will herald the change he wants.
Change should be brought about by people working together -- which includes working with the people who grew up here, and people who moved here. Calling people names before meeting them, based on some forum discussion, people who might be your future neighbors -- is a bad start.
lavalava, if you think that baby boomers share a common point of view, indulgent bleeding heart or otherwise, that's a big lumping together. The baby boom covered about 18 years of people being born. Do you think they were all alike?
In any case, wishing for a whole generation to die as soon as possible ... what kind of person are you? Or are you trolling?
RE: Another Home Invasion in HPP - lavalava - 07-12-2014
18 years is roughly a generation, no? A generation that has failed to leave the world a better place then they found it. A generation that was born of the Greatest Generation and miserably failed to follow in their footsteps. A generation of self righteous, self indulgent, self centered brats. If that sounds like trolling to you perhaps it is because it strikes a chord that you know to be true.
RE: Another Home Invasion in HPP - dmbwest - 07-12-2014
pot, meet kettle.
RE: Another Home Invasion in HPP - JG-HPP - 07-13-2014
The alarming thing to me is that these guys have crossed a critical psychological line. We know that arsonists escalate in a predictable way until they are caught. (ie set fire outdoors to a car to an abandoned house to a lived in house with nobody there to a house full of people).
I suspect these guys have taken a similar path. Criminology literature tells us that once someone has crossed the line from burglarizing a home with people absent to invading while people are there is a crucial change and that the loot becomes a secondary consideration to the thrill of gaining power over others and getting away with it.
As for me...I will assume these guys are now armed and I will do whatever it takes to protect my family and my home.