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RE: The Great Spirit - opihikao - 09-16-2015
Aloha ahiahi, to all.
Malolo, pleasure, and thank you. Rest well. Aloha to you. (Psst... your "name" is like the sweet syrup juice thing in the gallon container. [:I])
Mr. Derrick B., your posts make perfect logical sense. Mahalo. You must be an "old soul in a young body", as it were. [
]Mr. Opihikaobob, mahalo for your ike (in this instance; not that I agree with all you posts, forgive me please, should I offend).
Mr. Tom, mahalo again. This was not meant to be "racial", however, the silver lining perhaps, is a good discussion. I will never lose a friend over a "controversy/issue". We may disagree on occasion, however, the value of your opinion matters (as all opinions do) to me. In essence, I value friendships (albeit on PW...lol) more than issues. Aloha to you, Sir (and waving to Pam with fond aloha).
When this kind of topic arises, mahalo to those who understand the intent of the original post. Additionally, mahalo to "007" who took the thread to a very important subject. Racism.
In reading this entire discussion (some posts twice, trying to understand), at the very least, we are "talking" about a deep rooted problem. To equate my posts to the "KKK" is beyond comprehension. [:0] Again, not the intent, 007, and forgive me for making you feel that way. Good God.
Additionally, my apologies to those who may be offended in the exact wording of the original post, with regard to their Tribe. Merely wanted to acknowledge the depth of cultural similarities. E kala mai.
Tink, aloha to you, and one day I hope to race you on a "brisk walk", or walk slowly and just visit. [
] Kapohocat, EO! Back to topic, our cultures are quite similar, and so are many others. Would you be so kind to share during the journey? Not that we want to go back to primitive means, however, the basis of belief leads generations.
Mahalo for "getting it" to those of you who do, (wait for it; because the "some get it, some never will" trolling is coming...lol.)
rbbyrd, the question you pose is a good one, and it was answered. (ie. "haole" vs. "F*&*&^ haole".) Some of us have been called those names, while being Hawaiian/Kanaka Maoli. Go figure?!?!? [:0]
In the end, when the topic and comments are dissected to the hilt, the original intent is lost. Again.
Thus, leaving you all with this for the evening, trying to bring it back to center, and the intent of this thread:
"The Power of Positive Thinking" - Norman Vincent Peale (Circa. 1898) (*Note: Many, many other links available)
http://www.successconsciousness.com/norman_vincent_peale_quotes.htm
Bid you all a good night, as my Niners kicked some Vikings this past Monday night! GO NINERS! (Sorry, O/T, but I've over the bloody moon! LOL. [
]) The "Great Spirit" of the 49ers still lives! JMO.
RE: The Great Spirit - opihikao - 09-16-2015
quote:
Originally posted by malolo
Pardon the interruption but t suddenly occurred to me that it's been a long long time since PunaWeb participants took a deep (thankful) breath together, and engaged in a light-hearted grin-inducing life-is-good backyard sing-along:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UzISuy-o4_Q
Have a great day tomorrow folks.
Love it. Mahalo, Malolo.
Rest well.
RE: The Great Spirit - dmbwest - 09-16-2015
Could never find this .. Yep yep and yep !
Mahalo Malolo and Madam.
aloha,
pog
RE: The Great Spirit - dakine - 09-16-2015
While the vast majority of Americans consider themselves unprejudiced, many of us unintentionally make snap judgments about people based on what we see—whether it’s race, age, gender, religion, sexuality, or disability. The Love Has No Labels campaign challenges us to open our eyes to our bias and prejudice and work to stop it in ourselves, our friends, our families, and our colleagues....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnDgZuGIhHs
RE: The Great Spirit - beejee - 09-16-2015
How to speak Pidgin - bad haole!! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLmfQSR3EI0 I think her message would have much more impact if she spoke in Hawaiian vs. English.
RE: The Great Spirit - rbbyrd - 09-17-2015
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Originally posted by Hawaii Bound
Shockwave, sorry, I don't mean to speak for someone else but he was referring to the quote of "...If you look at what racism is you would see it is not even possible for native americans or hawaiians to even be racist. As a population they are not even in the position to be racist"
In my opinion, he was simply stating that anyone can be racist. Honestly for someone to say that someone can't be racist at all due to their heritage, ethnicity, etc is one the absolute dumbest things I have every read.
Thank you.
RB Byrd
Flower Mound, TX
RE: The Great Spirit - Thunderfoot - 09-20-2015
I am responding to the first post that started this thread. I am actually Native American and operate the Native American Center here in Hawaii since 1991. And we are the cultural resource for the Federal prison system, state prison, child welfare services, etc.... And I can tell you that although your sentiment is good, your intentions were good, the term "Great Spirit " is a great distortion of the truth. The term came from a Lakota term Wakan Tankan it means Great Mystery. It never meant Great Spirit. We do not have God in my culture. We are children of the Mother Earth and Father sky and your proof is when you see the horizon, you see the Mother and Father holding hands. And as you walk toward it, it moves away from you because you are not meant to know that here in this realm. We are creatures of now living on the Mother Earth. She feed, clothes and shelters us. The Great Mysteries got altered to Great Spirit by Christians trying to reconcile the two cultures. Mysteries are just that and cannot in any way equate to the definition of spirit. Also, my culture is oral and it is forbidden to write certain things down. If you want to know certain things you have to walk the road to get it, and earn it before it is given. Books are great but are limited because they are two dimensional and we are three dimensional beings. Plus they do not allow you to question the author for further clarification. Also, they allow for your interpretation and personal opinion to be attached to it. And I was taught by my elders that the truth only remains the truth when it is passed on without your interpretation and personal opinion attached to it. That is how you pass it on, for thousands and thousands of years, by saying it exactly the same way it was said to you. And I have said that exactly like that for many many moons. So, anyway, just had to chime into the conversation to clarify some things from a traditional Native American viewpoint.
RE: The Great Spirit - Punatic007 - 09-20-2015
Thank you thunderfoot, that was beautiful and well written.
As "the cultural resource for the Federal prison system, state prison, child welfare services, etc..." do you folks ever feel or think that the "victim" consciousness given to American Indians promoted by the "apologist culture" is creating more social problems than it is helping?
I only ask this after spending time with Tibetans and nomadic Mongolian hill tribe peoples in Asian countries, in asylum in countries that are not currently supportive of their presence to put it lightly, yet these 2 cultures have very very low incarceration rates or self-destructive behaviors and do not receive any welfare support.
This is simply my observation and I know it is not considered "politically correct" to ask but I ask anyway.
RE: The Great Spirit - pahoated - 09-20-2015
quote:This is what happened in Hawaii to a much greater extent than the North and South American continents.
Originally posted by Thunderfoot
The Great Mysteries got altered to Great Spirit by Christians trying to reconcile the two cultures.
The first five books of the Bible are the Books of Moses, the 10 commandments supposedly written by God directly, the rest while Moses was supposedly under his guidance. Moses is an Egyptian name but there is no evidence of Hebrews ever being in Egypt at all. The archaeology evidence shows the Hebrew culture appearing in Canaan (Palestine area) about 1500 BCE, long after the Old Kingdom in Egypt with extensive writings and well into the New Kingdom. There is no evidence of any large group spending 40 years to cross the Sinai desert at a time when bedouin caravans were crossing it in a couple weeks. All the evidence is showing the Hebrew religion beginning in the area of Israel but showing clear signs of originating from Canaan. If Moses existed, then it is appearing he was either an exile or a group of exiles from Canaan.
The entire basis of the Jewish, Christian and Moslem religions is being proven to be false or a mixture of myth with fiction. Manifest Destiny, as accorded by this Holy Scripture, justified the genocide and theft of entire First Nation nations.
"Aloha also means goodbye. Aloha!"
RE: The Great Spirit - opihikao - 09-20-2015
Aloha, Thunderfoot, and mahalo for your mana'o (thoughts, opinion).
The clarity of common belief and culture is ever more clear. Our kupuna never wrote/documented either; only spoken word, as an example. Your explanation of kupuna (elders/ancestor) teaching is exact to our Hawaiian culture. We call it "mana" (power/inherited energy), "ha" (breath), "uhane" (spirit). Not verbatim, but the essence of the words.
Please forgive if I offended. My purpose for posting was twofold; as the discussions here (on PW) have become tenuous (at best), and that we have very similar cultures, which bind us together moreso than some.
The referenced list was inspirational in my eyes, and I hope some found solace and wisdom, albeit inaccurate as to the source, and terminology. E kala mai (please excuse).
Thank you again for your clarification.
Aloha, a hui hou. Aloha ke Akua, e na Aumakua, e na Kupuna.
JMO.