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RE: Greggor V Russell - kalakoa - 08-03-2016
The above discourse reads (to me) as: "neither candidate is really a good choice, vote for the least offensive" (which notion varies per voter).
Hooray for "democracy".
RE: Greggor V Russell - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 08-03-2016
Greggor is pro corporate agribusiness pro GMO
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nice use of demonization of what is for the most part a bunch of family farmers
I'd just like to add that GMO does not begin and end with Monsanto. I know a family in Puna, a brother and his son who are in the papaya business only because GMO technology saved the industry. Another brother in the same family almost lost his entire flower business during Iselle, but the family banded together to help him, so he never had to ask for government assistance. None of them go to work in 3 piece suits, or even silk aloha shirts. Three generations live together in their homes. It's not what I would call your typical corporate agribusiness enterprise.
They are dedicated, hard working individuals who don't give up when the chips are down. On the other hand, the average group of anti-GMO philosophers (the ones I've seen anyway) standing in the Natch parking lot, hands gesticulating wildly in the air as they discuss genetic manipulation*, couldn't keep up with these guys for 15 or 20 minutes on any given day of the week.
*and oblivious to the fact that it happens naturally, and has since the beginning of time
RE: Greggor V Russell - Mendo - 08-03-2016
Wait, so now Gregor is taking credit for the Pahoa park? The one that's been in the works for many years?
RE: Greggor V Russell - HiloPuna - 08-03-2016
Mendo,
I was at a park dedication the other day, a project that took 7 years from beginning to end. There were so many people involved over that time, from the community and politically, that we laughed about how we'd watched each other get old during the process. Politicians that helped start it are no longer even in office, and couldn't be there to take any credit, while current holders of those seats who were there could reasonably be expected to use this project as an example of there effectiveness. That's the nature of these things, it takes a lot of people to make it happen, and some of these schedules transcend terms, or even lives, of the participants. Being involved, and talking about it, is not the same as taking exclusive credit. If he did that, then sure, go ahead, jump his sh*t, but don't jump to conclusions in order to condemn or criticize somebody who's "in the arena".
It's bloody hard work to get ANYTHING done, which is why I'm so appreciative when we have Mayors like Yamashiro and Kenoi who know how to use that office for long term community good (did I lose everybody there?) BTW, this was one of those parks that bring out so much criticism on this forum. I for one am so glad it got done and no other Mayor in my experience would have gotten it done for the budget or the time allowed. Kudo's to Billy !
RE: Greggor V Russell - imemine - 08-03-2016
quote:Wow! Please correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds to me like you are saying that it is ok to use potentially hazardous materials until they are proven hazardous rather than saying they shouldn't be used until they are proven safe. And all that because of some "Precautionary Principle" being applied to writing of a law rather than the application of chemicals on our land. For real?
Originally posted by HiloPuna
As far as "pro GMO" I recall Greggors position was based on perhaps another use of the "Precautionary Principle"; don't pass laws that aren't based on fact and thouroughly vetted.
RE: Greggor V Russell - HiloPuna - 08-03-2016
Uhh...are you at all familiar with the "precautionary principle"? If so, and with all sincerity, you need to lighten up and consider my use of it in context.
I used it facetiously. Take off your hair shirt and relax.....as far as the rest of your nonsense about "hazardous materials", uh no. GE does not result in a hazardous material. It may confer resistance to one, but in and of themselves they have never been described as that by any knowlgeable farmer or scientist that I am aware of. Only those loony guys in front of the Natch that HOTPE referred to earlier are likely to use that term on a GE plant.
RE: Greggor V Russell - opihikao - 08-03-2016
quote:imemine, read the above, please. HOTPE, agreed 100%. All of it. (BBM is exactly the truth.) The papaya virus devastated our Puna papaya farmers (we lived through it, as farmers, and Lessor).
Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
Greggor is pro corporate agribusiness pro GMO
...
nice use of demonization of what is for the most part a bunch of family farmers
I'd just like to add that GMO does not begin and end with Monsanto. I know a family in Puna, a brother and his son who are in the papaya business only because GMO technology saved the industry. Another brother in the same family almost lost his entire flower business during Iselle, but the family banded together to help him, so he never had to ask for government assistance. None of them go to work in 3 piece suits, or even silk aloha shirts. Three generations live together in their homes. It's not what I would call your typical corporate agribusiness enterprise.
They are dedicated, hard working individuals who don't give up when the chips are down. On the other hand, the average group of anti-GMO philosophers (the ones I've seen anyway) standing in the Natch parking lot, hands gesticulating wildly in the air as they discuss genetic manipulation*, couldn't keep up with these guys for 15 or 20 minutes on any given day of the week.
*and oblivious to the fact that it happens naturally, and has since the beginning of time
JMO.
P.S. "GMO" is the new "Geothermal development" buzz word for the past couple years, and possibly, another decade. Thank God "fracking" is over...geeze.
RE: Greggor V Russell - imemine - 08-03-2016
quote:With respect, I hope, seriously, you are more intelligent than that opihikao. Geothermal is/was a local issue, and though I am an advocate for geothermal, if done responsibly in the right environment, I really do not think it and GMO is anywhere near on the same level of world wide concern. After all, all of Europe hasn't banned geothermal, but they have GMO products, and for good reason. The same for some Asian countries. So putting geothermal on the same level as GMO is just naive. And I suspect you know it. At least I hope you do.
Originally posted by opihikao
[quote]P.S. "GMO" is the new "Geothermal development" buzz word for the past couple years...
And yes I know all about the ringspot virus and the subsequent saving of the industry. But that does not in anyway excuse the use of the islands for the development of herbicide ready seed crops and the excessive application of chemicals involved in their development. The two issues are apples and oranges, and to mix them together to bolster one while watering down the dangers of the other is, again, naive.
And getting back to the theme of this thread, I think Greggor, if elected, will give you real reason to regret having cast your vote for him. I would seriously recommend you, and anyone else considering giving him your vote, to reconsider.
RE: Greggor V Russell - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 08-04-2016
The two issues are apples and oranges, and to mix them together to bolster one while watering down the dangers of the other is, again, naive.
Isn't that exactly what the anti-GMO proponents do, however? They set out to ban all GMO products, apples (Monsanto soybeans) as well as oranges (Rainbow Papayas)?
The moon kind of surprises me sometimes. I’ll be out at night and I’ll see a nice moon, and say, “Hey, that looks good.” Then I’ll say, “Oh sh-t, I went up there one time!” Kind of surprises me. It’s like there are two Moons, you know—the one that’s usually around, and then that one. - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 astronaut
RE: Greggor V Russell - imemine - 08-04-2016
quote:
Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
The two issues are apples and oranges, and to mix them together to bolster one while watering down the dangers of the other is, again, naive.
Isn't that exactly what the anti-GMO proponents do, however? They set out to ban all GMO products, apples (Monsanto soybeans) as well as oranges (Rainbow Papayas)?
Oh Edge, I doubt you're naive either. Maybe just swayed by how easy it is to omit facts to make a point?
From The Huffington Post (though you can find it widely reported elsewhere):
"Mayor Billy Kenoi signed Bill 113 into law on Thursday, prohibiting biotech companies from operating on the Big Island and banning farmers from growing any new genetically altered crops.
"The bill exempts the island’s GMO papaya industry.
"Kenoi said that the new law signals the county’s desire to encourage community-based farming and ranching, as opposed to playing host to global agribusiness corporations in a letter to council members announcing his decision to sign the bill..."
The entire article is here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/05/big-island-biotech-ban_n_4395521.html