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RE: Control your EFFING DOGS! - ericlp - 04-21-2008
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Originally posted by StillHope
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Originally posted by Greg
I hate to be the party pooper here; but whenever I hear a gunshot, I call 911 and report shots fired in a residential area. If I can, I direct the police to the coward thats letting rounds fly.
Stray dogs are a problem, and there are many ways to deal with them.
There is something way more scary, annoying, and dangerous than a cruising animal, however:
A geezer with a gun!!
as for the MJ copter where if we spent all the resources controlling dogs like we do on a harmless drug ... Well, MJ brings in lots of $$$ where dangerous barking dogs do not. I mean come on! You take all the fun out of it if you can't put someone behind bars for 15 years and seize the home, car and property!!!!
Besides, dealing with dogs vs. stoners? Get real! Dogs bite! Stoners just hand over the plants and $$$$!!!! Might actually have to do some REAL police work if they had to deal with dogs.
And... If the cops were doing their friggen jobs... We wouldn't need all the dogs to protect home and self from geezers with guns.
If you have a dog(s) it should be required that you have a really nice fence and a big yard.... Also, if your gonna get a dog make sure it has all it's shots, and spayed or neutered... Funny we never evaluate people (where they are gonna stay... is the yard big enough? Does it have a fence? Do you have all the flea, tick, heartworm supplies? NOPE! When you bring a dog here... JUST give us all your $$$$$$! As long as it doesn't have rabies and you can afford all the blood work and testing and fees your good to go! Out of all the thousands of dogs that get in hawaii from the mainland...how many dogs with rabies did they find??? ZERO!!!!!!!! Cash Cow anyone?
Sadly it's not the dog but the stupid owner. Of course out of all the dog owners it's usually the 5% that get the bad rap for the entire dog friendly community.
About the barking. Buy a shock collar or the collars that spray pepper mist on the third or fourth bark. The only problem with this is, most people have the dogs to protect the property when they are gone, so, the beast is barking away at someone trying to rip you off and getting shocked to death in the process. No one ever thinks about that... This is where training comes in. Soon after the dog hears a beep from the collar it know the next bark is a spray/shock ... so after the dog get's use to the collar and the collar has done it's job you can just take out the spray or shock and only use the beep warning... That is if the owners were smart enough to "READ" the instructions.
Good Luck!
RE: Control your EFFING DOGS! - YurtGirl - 04-22-2008
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Originally posted by Damon
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Originally posted by Bob Orts
By the way, how come nobody has called the Hawaii Tribune-Herald to ask why they are not covering the report of someone going around shooting loose dogs with darts laced with swine feces. What, you didn’t know about it?
Come on Bob... HT would cover something like this if it were happening... but who would they interview? The person taking the pop shot or the dog?
They would interview the delusional, Damon... Get it?
I feel the same about a vicious dog as many sentiments listed here, it's not alright, not to be stood for, we should be more pro-active in getting some real solutions if we feel strongly about it, etc. So why hasn't anyone been giving real solutions? Obviously there are plenty here who would jump on board. How about, start a petition? Start a group of people to confront our city and even state governments? Many of these rants just seem like standing up (virtually, not in reality) and beating your fists on your chest and expecting a problem to go away. Well, a dog might if your whacked out enough to try it... Shoot, poison, maim, kill a dog, you're not only seen as a real a**hole, but you're also not serving your own purpose. That dog will be replaced by another, probably meaner, especially if you leave a mutilated carcas on a person's doorstep. Bob, while your solution might at first sound like a vein that might work, your maniacal enjoyment of going into such disgusting detail might bounce back on you. Chances are that anyone in your neighborhood that has eyes and ears would know your M.O. Effective on getting dogs chained, effective on getting some nasty retaliation too. I wouldn't tolerate threats like that for an instant, I'd be more likely to take some bird shot to the idiot that tried that particular letter out on me. Regardless, it doesn't solve the problem anyway, if a person doesn't give a rip about their dogs (which evidently many do not) then they aren't going to give a rip about your rumors unless you directly issue the threat, and... well... I've already gone there.
Petition for a dog pound anyone? There are plenty of people needing the work and our government DOES have the funds if they are pressured enough to allot them there. Petition for fines to be imposed even for anonymous reports? Do like Arizona and impose jail time if your fined for a loose dog more than 10 times in the dog's life? It won't end there, don't expect it to. If you want to see it work then expect to stay involved. Why would we want to trust a program's effectiveness to the government anyway?
RE: Control your EFFING DOGS! - Greg - 04-22-2008
A proactive stance the County could take is to have a vet onboard, and offer free spay/neutering to residents.
A mobile clinic would be easy to set up and would further facilitate a program such as this.
How would the expense of this compare to what the county currently spends on animal control ($0)? Liability ?? Highway scraping??
Just a thought.
RE: Control your EFFING DOGS! - Guest - 04-22-2008
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Originally posted by Greg
A proactive stance the County could take ....... and offer free spay/neutering to residents.
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I would love to see the job posting for that County Position [^]
Special skills: Must know how to.... [:0]
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The more we speak up... the more they will listen.
RE: Control your EFFING DOGS! - YurtGirl - 04-22-2008
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Originally posted by Damon
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Originally posted by Greg
A proactive stance the County could take ....... and offer free spay/neutering to residents.
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I would love to see the job posting for that County Position [^]
Special skills: Must know how to.... [:0]
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The more we speak up... the more they will listen.
Free spaying/neutering by the county isn't likely. Major discounts would likely be every bit as effective if given for very specific times and advertised well in advance, but I have only seen this done as a community service by groups of concerned local vets in tandem with local pet stores specials, concerned citizens donations, etc. Discounted licensing by the county could be incentive to use the services...
Most likely the job description for the needed government positions, if it were even government, would be as simple as: Now hiring animal specialists for the following positions: Kennel care (including but not limited to: kennel cleaning, feeding animals, stray animal check in, stray animal release - high school diploma preferred), Veterinary care (including but not limited to, neutering/spaying, administering vaccinations - Experienced, licensed vet required), Veterinary technician (to assist vet in spaying/neutering, vaccinations, etc - previous experience or certification preferred) and Animal Control Officers (tasks including but not limited to: picking up stray animals, issuing citations for uncontained or unlicensed animals, investingating animal noise disturbance reports, certification required). It seems something like this could be incorporated or added on to existing humane societies, ideally. Funding could go to add the needed infrastructure and extend facilities already in place.
RE: Control your EFFING DOGS! - JWFITZ - 04-22-2008
Some of you are so naive it's literally appalling.
I've worked with MuchLove Animal Rescue in Los Angeles personally. They run a very fine service. But you simply must know that 9 out of 10 dogs brought to an animal shelter, if not 99 out of 100, are completely unadoptable dogs and get destroyed. When I suggest something like slug bait, or shooting a dog, especially a nuisance animal or a dangerous breed, I believe that in most cases it's probably MORE humane, and certainly a better exhibition of personal responsibility than expecting some other organization to neatly do the job for you. Expecting an already overburdened police for or city government to deal with an issue you should deal with yourself, simply because you feel the job to be icky, is childish. Even IF there were money to deal with dogs, how much better could it be spent? How about providing dental care for school kids? Rotten teeth is the single largest cause of missed school in the US.
Shame on us.
RE: Control your EFFING DOGS! - ohanamama - 04-22-2008
I have a hard time killing slugs!
9 outta 10 dogs get put down? well, at least there is that one that may find salvation!!
I think it is more humane to put them down instead of someone taking pot shots most likely only wounding the animal and causing agonizing suffering for days or weeks,
Whenever we are offered a choice to take a higher ground, we should take it, we are the caretakers of this earth and it should be done the most humane that we can...even stray dogs.
RE: Control your EFFING DOGS! - oink - 04-22-2008
I don't think its likely that the one percent that's adoptable would get shot. They are the ones that the same potential shooter would take in and reluctantly take to the shelter after first making an attempt to find the owner. Why is it assumed that anyone that would feel the need to shoot a dangerous dog is incapable of making a shot? Just what is the high ground in these situations. I think it would depend on that specific situation. I have both shot dogs and captured them for hopeful reuniting with their owners.
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RE: Control your EFFING DOGS! - ohanamama - 04-23-2008
IMHO
High ground in this situation is being humane,
I seriously doubt that when a stray dog is barking its head off at 2am anyone is going to try to see if it is a dog that can be adopted or captured, should that person then just shoot to kill hoping they get the dog right between the eyes?
Ok then just set out bait traps then, hopefully your neighbors dog doesn't get loose that day and you kill that dog by accident...
I do believe shoot to kill would be justified in extreme circumstances, like rabid dog (not here)or when one or ones children are in danger.
My point is stop and think, I've felt threatened by dogs here -( and highly annoyed by barking at 2am by a stray in my backyard), however, I would not shoot to kill the animal(s), I'm pissed off and irritated that the owners have not taken care to ensure everyones safety, including my dogs safety...but I just think there are better ways to deal with the situation.
The system here sucks - absolutely - there needs to be change..... Thats why this thread is good, to start change.....
If your life is threatened then by all means protect yourself and those you love. BUT I don't think blowing dogs away because you are annoyed is the solution. There are other options,
Just because a person owns a gun doesn't mean they are a crack shot.
RE: Control your EFFING DOGS! - mgeary - 04-23-2008
Coincidentally, or not, this issue (mandatory spay/neuter laws) is a hot topic where I live.
"In 2007, Kern County killed 18,669 animals — more than the city of Los Angeles, which has 3 million more people than Kern." Bakersfield Californian, March 11, 2008.
For the full article, click here.
One of the issues is resistance on the part of people who breed dogs for sale to comply with a mandatory spay/neuter law, and then the legislator's ability to find compromise language for those people.
I won't even comment on people killing animals on their own, other than to say I think some of what's been discussed here rises to the level of felonies. Not that I disagree... ;-)
Aloha! ;-)