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RE: Access to Mauna Kea - Punaperson - 08-13-2019
From HOTPE: " Mauna Kea burial comment from ophikao:
P.S. Forgot to mention, our ohana has Kupuna iwi on Mauna Kea, just for the record. Kahuna Nui, Ali'i, and Kupuna (most recent burial was 1981). Locations are not discussed, nor known (except by the chosen ones). FWIW. "
I've always thought it a very strange and unusual aspect of Hawaiian culture that burial sites were kept secret, even from members of their own ohana. I've read two explanations: first, to keep the iwi from being stolen to be used by enemy kahuna for evil sorcery; and second, to keep the bones from being stolen and disrespected by being used for every day things like fish hooks.
Has anyone come across other explanations ? What does this say about Hawaiian culture that they expect the bones of their dead to be stolen and misused ?
RE: Access to Mauna Kea - rainyjim - 08-13-2019
Not only bones, some that I know insist on taking all their hair with them when they get a haircut!
RE: Access to Mauna Kea - ironyak - 08-13-2019
Kai Kehele at it again - who really owns the Mauna Kea Access Road?
DHHL Meeting at State Capitol to discuss
Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 10:00 am
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2019/hearingnotices/HEARING_HWN_08-14-19_INFO_.pdf
More info on requirements for transferring DHHL land to DoT:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rMtEy3lakcsCKwAkJ44s-jcXm9TY9b8AJKowIb6gTFs/
RE: Access to Mauna Kea - MarkP - 08-13-2019
Is there a date after which practices developed since are not traditional but are considered modern? Relevant since I think "I invented a religion to f**k with the TMT" would not fly. Same with burials. Burying grandpa in the Target parking lot today would be considered a stunt whereas uncovering great-great-great grandpa's bones during construction would be something else altogether.
RE: Access to Mauna Kea - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 08-13-2019
Kai Kehele at it again - who really owns the Mauna Kea Access Road?
Excellent use of time and resources Kai.
You want to dig deep into state records & prove Mauna Kea Access Road still belongs to DHHL? Rather than look into DHHL’s inability to put thousands more Native Hawaiians on their own homeland property?
Victory!
RE: Access to Mauna Kea - kalakoa - 08-13-2019
prove Mauna Kea Access Road still belongs to DHHL?
Irrelevant -- having been "open to the public" for six months, the road cannot be closed, even if it is privately owned.
RE: Access to Mauna Kea - randomq - 08-13-2019
Possibly "adverse possession" applies as well.
RE: Access to Mauna Kea - kalakoa - 08-13-2019
Adverse possession term in Hawaii: 20 years -- but cannot adversely possess government land.
RE: Access to Mauna Kea - TomK - 08-13-2019
For those interested, a mini-documentary by NBC on the current situation on Mauna Kea:
https://youtu.be/hxdV7i54Rfc
RE: Access to Mauna Kea - TomK - 08-15-2019
Today one of the protesters decided to completely block the spur road that is being used by the observatories and others to gain access to the mountain. They parked their truck perpendicular to the spur road where it joins the paved access road and then walked away. This is after the protesters had assured everyone that they will not block access to staff at the current observatories. So much for that promise.