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RE: Attention!!! - liskir - 12-02-2011
Despicable to hear the lies coming from our own president, but what else is new? So many campaign promises have been broken. "Change" was just a ruse to get votes.
The jobs available today are for thugs in TSA, police, CIA, FBI, security, wall street and the government. If you are not able to think for yourself, if you can follow orders without question, if you do not question authority, if you do not believe in the Constitution nor the Bill of Rights, sign up, you'll get hired to bring tyranny upon your brothers and sisters.
Ron Paul is the only one to speak truth for the last 3 decades. Learn about him. Sign up for the caucus in HI.
RE: Attention!!! - PaulW - 12-02-2011
Ron Paul and Occupy are at two opposite ends of the political spectrum. How can people mix them up?
RE: Attention!!! - liskir - 12-02-2011
Occupy calls for termination of gov't corruption. Ron Paul calls for the return of the Constitution. Where's the mix up?
RE: Attention!!! - LeeE - 12-02-2011
where wolf?
Lee Eisenstein
http://members.cruzio.com/~lionel/event
RE: Attention!!! - Guest - 12-02-2011
I think he is having trouble thinking outside of the left-right paradigm. Its the big government corruption vs liberty now.
RE: Attention!!! - DanielP - 12-02-2011
Wish I hadn't gotten sucked into this pointless thread; not Puna. best wishes to all. Outa here.
Aloha, Dan
RE: Attention!!! - missydog1 - 12-02-2011
Even though I'm not finding this thread real helpful (too much rhetoric) -- I think it has a place on Punatalk.
True that the problems in our government are not limited or specific to Hawai'i, but what a localized forum can offer is a sense of how Hawai'i residents are responding to these key issues. Sure I can go on some other forum to hear a discussion of national politics, but it wouldn't be a discussion of how my neighbors intend to act in response to impending crisis (or whether they believe there is a crisis).
That is of value for us to hear, IMHO.
"And I'm sure it wouldn't interest anybody, outside of a small circle of friends ~ Phil Ochs
RE: Attention!!! - liskir - 12-02-2011
This is very relevant to HI since for the first time in history, voters here can participate in the primary election, if I'm understanding it correctly. Forget the bogus bipartisan, Republican/Democratic false allegiance. Focus instead on the individual candidates who will represent us, the people, and restore our Constitution. Pretty faces, fast talkers, and empty promises have led this country into a crisis. Do we want more of the same?
Ron Paul is the only person who has consistently and unwaveringly talked about restoring the Constitution. The 2012 National Defense Authorization Act that just passed gives our gov't the right to detain U.S. citizens indefinitely without speedy trail. What happened to our Constitution?
RE: Attention!!! - Guest - 12-02-2011
Ron Paul: “Madam Speaker, I have a few questions for my colleagues.
What if our foreign policy of the past century is deeply flawed and has not served our national security interest?
What if we wake up one day and realize that the terrorist threat is the predictable consequence of our meddling in the affairs of others, and has nothing to do with us being free and prosperous?
What if propping up repressive regimes in the Middle East endangers both the United States and Israel?
What if occupying countries like Iraq and Afghanistan and bombing Pakistan is directly related to the hatred directed toward us?
What if someday it dawns on us that losing over 5,000 American military personnel in the Middle East since 9/11 is not a fair tradeoff with the loss of nearly 3,000 American citizens no matter how many Iraqi, Pakistanian, Afghan people are killed or displaced?
What if we finally decide that torture, even if called “enhanced interrogation technique”, is self-destructive and produces no useful information and that contracting it out to a third world nation is just as evil?
What if it is finally realized that war and military spending is always destructive to the economy?
What if all war-time spending is paid for through the deceitful and evil process of inflating and borrowing?
What if we finally see that war-time conditions always undermine personal liberty?
What if Conservatives who preach small government wake up and realize that our interventionist foreign policy provides the greatest incentive to expand the government?
What if Conservatives understood once again that their only logical position is to reject military intervention and managing an empire throughout the world?
What if the American people woke up and understood that the official reasons for going to war are almost always based on lies and promoted by war propaganda in order to serve special interests?
What if we as a nation came to realize that the quest for empire eventually destroys all great nations?
What if Obama has no intention of leaving Iraq?
What if a military draft is being planned for for the wars that would spread if our foreign policy is not changed?
What if the American people learned the truth, that our foreign policy has nothing to do with national security, that it never changes from one administration to the next?
What if war in preparation for war is a racket serving the special interests?
What if President Obama is completely wrong about Afghanistan and it turns out worse than Iraq and Vietnam put together?
What if Christianity actually teaches peace and not preventive wars of aggression?
What if diplomacy is found to be superior to bombs and bribes in protecting America?
What happens if my concerns are completely unfounded?
Nothing.
But what happens if my concerns are justified and ignored?
Nothing good.
And I yield back the balance of my time.”
RE: Attention!!! - uneedawish - 12-02-2011
quote:This thread is not "pointless", it is "Democracy". I guess my first
Originally posted by DanielP
Wish I hadn't gotten sucked into this pointless thread; not Puna. best wishes to all. Outa here.
Aloha, Dan
opinion was right about you DanP. Puna is the heart of democracy!!
We are free thinkers in these parts. At least most of us are.
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Occupy our minds always, for our childrens sake!