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RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 09-15-2019
there will be lots of videos posted on social media.
Lots of selectively edited videos on social media. And dubbed like an old Hong Kong Kung fu flick into English.
Police: “Face down in the cinder, protestor.”
Protestor: “Aloha officer.”
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - TomK - 09-15-2019
"Closing Saddle Road without warning for a few days is the only non-violent way that will happen, but that would also impact a lot more people commuting to work."
Closing the road without notice would also be extremely damaging to the MK observatories. The last closure came with enough notice for the observatories to plan for shutdowns, but without that advanced warning, the safety of staff already on the mountain is put at risk as well as millions of dollars worth of equipment.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - SBH - 09-16-2019
The astronomers and emergency vehicles would be allowed through at the check point controlled by HPD.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - dan d - 09-16-2019
Hotpe they will be at the king Kam statue in bayfront for the meeting. Its a quick run to the ocean from there
Aloha
HPP
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - SBH - 09-16-2019
The only reason MK observatories shut down is because they lost access. HPD would take control of access once the protectors run out of food and water and port-a-potty maintenance with Saddle Rd. closed.
I’m not sure why helicopters haven’t been an option to shuttle employees in an emergency for a few days with all the millions of dollars at stake. Summit is within limit of maximum altitude for Blue Hawaiian or they can fly to area near Visitors Center to staged vehicles for summit.
USGS was flying helicopters daily last summer observing the eruption.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - randomq - 09-16-2019
You close Saddle and the blockade will stop letting observatory vehicles through. Either way, you will end up having to arrest those blocking the road. Better not to muddy the waters and just arrest them now.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - kalakoa - 09-16-2019
A new road to the VIS could have been built by now, at a substantial cost savings over "managing" the "occupation".
(I wasn't on vacation, just refocusing my priorities.)
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - snorkle - 09-16-2019
Kalakoa, Your thread heading is misleading.......Could you put a year on it? Mahalo in advance.....S
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - EightFingers - 09-16-2019
With the attack on Saudi Arabia, gas is expected to go up about 15%. Wonder what $4/gallon gas will do to the crowd on the mountain.
Puna: Our roosters crow first
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - TomK - 09-16-2019
"I’m not sure why helicopters haven’t been an option to shuttle employees in an emergency for a few days with all the millions of dollars at stake. Summit is within limit of maximum altitude for Blue Hawaiian or they can fly to area near Visitors Center to staged vehicles for summit."
The cost of using helicopters is too high for regular operations. It would cost $1000 per 45-minute trip to transport two technicians to the VIS area. 50 to 75 people are required at the summit for normal operations, so you can do the math yourself. Transporting equipment up would be nigh-on impossible and using the military to provide larger helicopters would be particularly bad optics.
Helicopters are certainly a consideration in an emergency, i.e., to evacuate a few people off the mountain, but they are not an option for regular operations.