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Fred Blas vs Greggor IIagan - Kapohocat - 08-14-2012
Any thoughts on how this will go in Nov?
RE: Fred Blas vs Greggor IIagan - punaticbychoice - 08-14-2012
And now for something different-?
RE: Fred Blas vs Greggor IIagan - Rene Siracusa - 08-14-2012
In part, this depends on whether or not James Weatherford throws his support behind Fred, Greggor, or stays out of it. What he does could make a difference. I hope that he will consider what is best for Puna, personalities aside, when he makes that decision.
My personal feeling is that while Greggor seems like a nice and sincere young man, he doesn't have a political philosophy or a set of strong convictions on which to base decisions. At the forums he answered most questions by saying that he would listen to 'the people'. The problem is, the 'people' will give him advice from all extremes, with plenty shades of gray too. And then what will he do?
I dread to contemplate it.To give him some credit, he started doing his homework on some issues, but limited himself to asking questions of only one side of an issue - like talking to Mike Kaleikini of PGV about geothermal or the State DOT about Hwy. 130. So he probably doesn't even know the right questions to ask.
Fred is a known quantity. You many not like his style or the way he expresses himself verbally, or his position on some issues, but he can always be counted on to act rather than dissemble or sit on his hands. And if you can show a case for health and/or safety, you can convince him, because those are important values for him. He also knows the process, so there will be no learning curve for him. I hope that Weatherford will throw his support behind Fred.
RE: Fred Blas vs Greggor IIagan - csgray - 08-14-2012
Rene,
How is anyone, who is not already part of Fred's inner circle or live in his neighborhood, supposed to convince him of the importance of issues in terms of health and safety when he is completely unavailable to his constituents?
Fred has not shown that he has any better grasp of how government works, after almost a full term in office, than Illegan has as a newbie. He doesn't even understand the process for subdivisions signing over roads to the county, while representing the district with the most miles of private roads in the whole state. He also completely fails to understand the role of county councilor as go between or negotiator between state and local government and his constituents. Instead of mediating for a solution for the HPP park, he couldn't wait to get his hands on that money for one of his pet projects. 2500 kids in HPP with no park, and once again his neighborhood and Pahoa get the goodies. Same with the HPP dust issue, he could have taken a role in mediating a solution with the state agency involved, instead he issued a public statement that HPP "needs a plan" and walked away. What good is knowing the process if you don't use it?
Carol
RE: Fred Blas vs Greggor IIagan - JerryCarr - 08-14-2012
I have had several direct conversations with Fred on several topics and found him to be woefully ignorant on some fundamental issues. Carol's point about subdivision roads was true two years ago when Fred took office, remains true today, and is my biggest problem with him. Fred has displayed breathtaking ignorance about both the history and the rules imposed by the County for this critical issue. Where's the learning curve? Greggor at least has demonstrated a capacity to learn and grow, even from Rene's limited perspective as a Blas supporter. Having spoken with Greggor at intervals during his candidacy, I can honestly say that he has listened, learned, and grown into it. The fact that he doesn't have a packaged answer for every single issue doesn't bother me because I know he has a process to get to the facts and make a decision.
RE: Fred Blas vs Greggor IIagan - kjlpahoa - 08-14-2012
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Originally posted by Rene Siracusa
Fred is a known quantity. You many not like his style or the way he expresses himself verbally, or his position on some issues, but he can always be counted on to act rather than dissemble or sit on his hands. And if you can show a case for health and/or safety, you can convince him, because those are important values for him. He also knows the process, so there will be no learning curve for him. I hope that Weatherford will throw his support behind Fred.
Yes Fred is a known quanity. He is known as a do nothing, ignorant, hopeless Council member. His style is an imbarasment to the people of Puna. He has no verbal expressions except to vote yes or no. He never enters into any discussions or vetting of the issues. How does he act except for just sitting on his hands? Health and safety is of little importance to him. WRT knowing the process and a learning curve, he does not know the process and is to ignorant to learn so he will stay on the bottom of the learning curve. Should Weatherford throw his vote to Fred? deffinately not. James positions are more in line with Greggor and he should get the Weatherford contingency.
RE: Fred Blas vs Greggor IIagan - wax - 08-14-2012
In the vast majority of cases where an incumbent is running in a primary the electorate is either voting for or against the incumbent. James' endorsement would be interesting, but as those who voted for him were essentially voting against Fred - might not have more impact than the count itself. In short, Fred is in trouble here.
RE: Fred Blas vs Greggor IIagan - Obie - 08-14-2012
How would Fred mediate a solution to the fact that the HPP board voted to not have a park?
Posted - 07/26/2011 : 11:43:44 Show Profile Reply with Quote
The HPP Board of Directors voted 5-4 not to donate the 20 acres for a park at their meeting last Wednesday. You had to be there to believe how wierd it was.
Edited by - JerryCarr on 07/26/2011 11:44:24
The same goes for HPP roads.They are private roads in a private subdivision.If the county were to take over the paving of roads in HPP they would also have to accept responsibility for every road on the Big Island.
As for being accessible,Fred's phone number is listed on his website.I called to talk to him about an issue and he returned my call.I have also spoken to him at the VFW breakfast in Nanavale.There is one this Sunday the 19th.
I believe it is in Puna's best interest to re-elect Fred.A one and done council person does us no good at all.I believe Fred has learned some lessons and will apply them if re-elected.
Your opinions may vary.
RE: Fred Blas vs Greggor IIagan - Jay Bondesen - 08-15-2012
I haven’t had a vested interest in too many issues handled by the County Council. Or maybe I did and didn’t realize it at the time. Anyway, I have met with Fred several times recently on things that are important to me and he listened and represented my views at Council meetings. There are specific complaints about him here that I can’t really speak to but in my case he showed concern and a shared philosophy on a few of the things important to me. I watched him at Council meetings and can see that he isn’t as eloquent as some others but it’s not about performing well in meetings. In my case he agreed with my concerns and stayed with that position while taking considerable heat. That’s enough for me and my vote in the current race. Greggor appears to be a good person and may someday be ready but unfortunately neither he nor James really took a position on the issues at hand so I don’t know who they will represent.
Jay
RE: Fred Blas vs Greggor IIagan - Kelena - 08-15-2012
We simply have to do better next time, and actually field a good, highly qualified candidate. In my brief time here, I have met many people who are very smart, focused and who could do a better job than has been done in the past or than is likely to be done in the immediate future by those up for election. I mean no disrespect to either of them, but I do think there are better qualified people out there who would run if approached in sufficient time to pull a campaign together.