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Running red lights - cwoods61 - 08-25-2012
A red light means EVERYBODY stops. No exemption for left turns. Just thought I'd put that out there. :-)
RE: Running red lights - KeaauRich - 08-25-2012
Well, except this exemption:
© The driver of a vehicle on a one-way street which intersects another one-way street on which traffic moves to the left shall stop in obedience to a steady red indication but may then make a left turn into said one-way street, but shall yield right-of-way to pedestrians, proceeding as directed by the signal at said intersection except that counties by ordinance may prohibit any such left turn as above described which ordinance shall be effective when a sign is erected at such intersection giving notice thereof.
RE: Running red lights - cwoods61 - 08-25-2012
I think you know to whom I'm referring to here. It's the drivers who can't bear to wait for another cycle. And it's not just the one driver who just misses the yellow, it's 2 or 3. I almost hit someone who blatantly ran a red light at the Aupuni/Kilauea intersection today. Supposedly red-light runners get caught by cameras.Do the cameras not catch left turners? If so, I'd think there wouldn't be so much of that.
RE: Running red lights - TomK - 08-25-2012
I don't think there are red light cameras here. Happy to be corrected though.
Tom
http://apacificview.blogspot.com/
RE: Running red lights - Funkstopper - 08-26-2012
Some turns are allowed on left. If you are already in the intersection and the light turns yellow, you have to wait for oncoming traffic to clear then you have to turn left to clear the intersection.
Example from another state. I'm not sure it Hawaii is different but this is how I was taught in Driver's ED. Mind you that was a while ago
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http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2010/09/10/when-red-means-go-lights-crucial-in-left-turn-crashes.html[/url]
Sometimes, turning left on a red light is legally acceptable. And sometimes, turning left on a yellow is a crime.
On the morning of May 10, Jeffrey Brenning, 22, of Johnstown, was driving a Chevrolet Trailblazer north on Cleveland Avenue in Westerville. As he turned left onto County Line Road, his SUV collided with a southbound Cadillac DeVille.
The Cadillac's back-seat passenger, Gladys Oiler, 87, died almost immediately. The driver, Jerry Stewart, 53, died four days later.
Patti Nibert, 57, survived the crash. She was Oiler's daughter and Stewart's longtime partner.
Brenning was charged with two misdemeanor counts each of vehicular homicide and vehicular manslaughter. He has pleaded not guilty in Delaware County Municipal Court.
Nibert and most of the witnesses interviewed by police agreed that the Trailblazer turned left on a yellow light. If the light is yellow, oncoming traffic has the right-of-way before a left-turning driver, so the Trailblazer should have yielded to the Cadillac, Westerville Police Sgt. Tony Rudd said.
But had the light already turned red, the crash might not have been Brenning's fault.
In a similar crash in Westerville in February, a car was waiting to turn left at Polaris Parkway and Worthington Road. The left-turning car already had entered the intersection when the light changed to red.
In that case, the left-turning driver had an obligation to clear the intersection by making the turn, Rudd said. But as that driver was turning, an oncoming vehicle ran the red light and struck him. The left-turning driver died, and the oncoming driver was charged in the crash. He pleaded no contest to vehicular homicide.
Rudd called the two crashes "opposites." In one, a vehicle was legally able to turn left on red. In the other, a vehicle should not have turned left on yellow.
Brenning, the Trailblazer's driver, said he grieves for the people who were in the Cadillac and that the crash has kept him awake at night. But he thinks he was driving conscientiously.
"I do not feel guilty of manslaughter or homicide," he said.
His fiancee and 18-month-old son were in the car with him, he said, and he would never intentionally endanger them. He remembers that the light changed to yellow as he was about to turn. The cars around him and in front of him were braking, he said, and that made him assume the light had changed to red. He checked to make sure no one was coming from any direction and made the turn. He didn't see the Cadillac until the collision.
RE: Running red lights - Funkstopper - 08-26-2012
One more off island reference. For what it is worth.
This is from NY where I learned how to drive.
I have looked but can't find a clear Hawaii reference. I may have to flag down a cop and ask.
http://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com/page/content.detail/id/521778/Entering-intersection-for-left-turn-confusing-to-many.html?nav=5153
You are approaching an intersection controlled by a traffic light that is showing green and you want to turn left at this intersection. However, there is a string of vehicles coming toward you. Question, are you allowed to enter the intersection and wait for a break in oncoming traffic or must you wait at the stop bar (the white line that tells you where to stop at an intersection)?
The answer to the above question is yes. Under vehicle and traffic law in New York state, it is permissible to enter the intersection if the light is green and no other vehicles ahead of you is preparing for a left turn. But, you ask, what happens if the light changes to red before there is a break in traffic and I am stuck in the middle of the intersection?
Answer, still no problem. Again, under vehicle and traffic law, all other traffic must yield the right of way to a vehicle that is already in the intersection (your vehicle).
At this point, the traffic signal will be red for your street and the cross street, the one you want to turn onto, receives a green light. But, because all traffic must yield to a vehicle already in the intersection, you may now complete your left turn.
RE: Running red lights - oink - 08-27-2012
While traffic laws are generally similar among the States, there can be serious differences. I would learn the local laws and not rely on those of other states.
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
RE: Running red lights - Ristori - 09-03-2012
quote:
Originally posted by cwoods61
I think you know to whom I'm referring to here. It's the drivers who can't bear to wait for another cycle. And it's not just the one driver who just misses the yellow, it's 2 or 3. I almost hit someone who blatantly ran a red http://www.niceledlights.com at the Aupuni/Kilauea intersection today. Supposedly red-light runners get caught by cameras.Do the cameras not catch left turners? If so, I'd think there wouldn't be so much of that.
These red light cameras are getting wrong attention
RE: Running red lights - TomK - 09-06-2012
Ristori,
quote:What do you mean? Could you expand a little bit on your comment? And are there any red light camera on this island?
These red light cameras are getting wrong attention
Tom
http://apacificview.blogspot.com/
RE: Running red lights - Midnight Rambler - 09-06-2012
quote:Tom, that person was just inserting spam (note the link that wasn't in the original comment). Rob, Ristori should be blocked if they aren't already.
Originally posted by TomK
Ristori,
quote:What do you mean? Could you expand a little bit on your comment? And are there any red light camera on this island?
These red light cameras are getting wrong attention
Tom
http://apacificview.blogspot.com/