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HPP Speed Limit Proposal - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 06-15-2013
The Hawaii County Council will discuss three bills relating to speed limits in HPP this Tuesday in Kona. The bills will create a 15 MPH speed limit on unpaved roads, 25 MPH on paved side streets, and as yet to be determined limit on Maku'u, Paradise, Kaloli, and Shower. I'm not familiar with council meetings, but does anyone know if they have video conferencing so residents from East Hawaii's largest subdivision don't have to drive to Kona (on a work night) to attend the meeting?
http://bigislandnow.com/2013/06/13/speed-limits-proposed-for-hawaiian-paradise-park/
RE: HPP Speed Limit Proposal - kalakoa - 06-15-2013
Sigh.
If County "needs" control of these "private" roads, they should seize them through eminent domain, and bring them "up to code" by raising everyone's taxes. Period.
RE: HPP Speed Limit Proposal - Bullwinkle - 06-15-2013
so.... the folks who paid a premium (in both buy in and annual maintenance dues) to live in an area that has paved roads can then subsidize those who did not - dont think that will fly.....
Why make any effort to improve things or take resposibility at all if the rest of the folks of the state will ultimately take the burden?
I think if the county were to take control of a sub divisions roads - becuase of "very local issues" or poor planning .... maybe apportioning the cost among the residents of that subdivision a more fair way to go....
edit - be it roads or sewage......
RE: HPP Speed Limit Proposal - KeaauRich - 06-15-2013
I'm pretty sure there was a video conference setup in Greggor's Puna office, but he's in the process of moving (or recently moved) so not sure of the status of that. There's definitely a setup at the county building in Hilo. You should call Greggor's office for specifics.
Edited to clarify references in an out-of-sequence response
RE: HPP Speed Limit Proposal - oink - 06-15-2013
I think it's clear the County should assume some responsibility as it was largely their decisions that created the problem. A just solution would probably be somewhere in the middle.
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
RE: HPP Speed Limit Proposal - ourdoc - 06-15-2013
So does this mean we can start collecting taxes from the county for road maintenance? After all they can't drive on our self-paid for roads for free, we all have to pay to drive on their roads every time we buy gas and pay taxes...
RE: HPP Speed Limit Proposal - kjlpahoa - 06-15-2013
The County Council or any public offical for that matter can not set speed limits without doing a Federally mandated engineering study to prove the speed limits are justified and proper. Usually they are required to use the 85 percentile. That is the speed 85% of the traffic travels at under normal conditions.
RE: HPP Speed Limit Proposal - Rob Tucker - 06-15-2013
quote:
Originally posted by Bullwinkle
so.... the folks who paid a premium (in both buy in and annual maintenance dues) to live in an area that has paved roads can then subsidize those who did not - dont think that will fly.....
It might be worth remembering that Hilo once had unpaved roads. Land was cheap then too. Later the county paved those roads and the cost of that was paid by all the taxpayers of the island. ANd the maintenance and repaving since then has been subsidized by Puna landowners.
RE: HPP Speed Limit Proposal - ericlp - 06-15-2013
but Hilo was never considered a private subdivision. Interesting nonetheless. I think I'd be in support of letting the state take over the roads but I doubt it will happen. I mean they already have a public bus running down private roads ... so... might have something to do with it.
RE: HPP Speed Limit Proposal - Rob Tucker - 06-15-2013
Being a private subdivision has nothing to do with it. The County codes at the time (mostly around 1959) required roads to be to county standards. The county failed to enforce those codes to the benefit of the developers. The county is culpable.