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SB2274-Sustainable Living - kjlpahoa - 03-16-2014 I am very surprised that nobody has been commenting on this Bill. It is becoming very controversial especially since the latest newspaper article. It appears that it could have some negative impacts on some existing subdivisions. Any comments or opinions on this subject? RE: SB2274-Sustainable Living - kalakoa - 03-16-2014 I don't believe "sustainability" should be codified as a "Special Use". RE: SB2274-Sustainable Living - rainyjim - 03-16-2014 “The Department of Agriculture supports efforts to increase food production and promote agricultural education,” said Agriculture Department Chairman Scott Enright in testimony to the committee. “However, we feel that agricultural production should be the primary activity on agricultural lands.” - See more at: http://m.westhawaiitoday.com/news/local-news/sustainability-bill-spurs-ethics-complaint#sthash.hpmkgkGA.dpuf - am I missing something? Wouldn't the main focus of these "sites" be food production? --------- "The state Office of Planning had similar concerns in its testimony. Planning officials said there are already mechanisms in place for just such experiments. Officials also worried that allowing more such experimental living sites could further dissuade farmers from working and investing in their farms because of fear of ensuing development. - See more at: http://m.westhawaiitoday.com/news/local-news/sustainability-bill-spurs-ethics-complaint#sthash.hpmkgkGA.dpuf" Can anyone explain the "worried...dissuading farmers from working and investing...because of fear of ensuing development" ? Once again - am I missing something? What does this even mean? Is it a misquote? An incomplete thought/sentence? I don't even get what it is they are trying to say. ----- I understand the county opposition - due to loss of power/control. But I don't understand (nor actually see any) opposition from anyone else - exception being anti-ruderman people who want to attack ruderman and don't actually care about the bill one way or the other. RE: SB2274-Sustainable Living - kalakoa - 03-16-2014 They're trying to convince everyone that "sustainability research" is actually thinly-veiled "eco-tourism" which will not contribute to food production -- which would almost be reasonable if there were a huge shortage of agricultural land, such that these "research sites" would displace actual farming. As usual, whenever "sustainability" and/or "agriculture" are mentioned, it's all talk, they have no intention of allowing any self-sufficiency because it's a clear threat to their power/authority regime. What's next, people making their own electricity without permits, licenses, inspections, fees, and taxes? How can that possibly be good for "the community"? RE: SB2274-Sustainable Living - kjlpahoa - 03-16-2014 quote: RE: SB2274-Sustainable Living - rainyjim - 03-16-2014 I read the Bill, (all 3 versions) and the testimony submitted before commenting. Thanks though. I am curious about who is upset - you keep alluding to a possibly (large) group of people. I don't see a problem with progress towards sustainability. Poor neighbors exist; see roosters, sex offenders, huge semi truck fleets parked on property lines. This legislation won't change that - nor do I believe it would supercede for instance leilanis strict ccrs. I am failing to conceive a problem (only benefits) perhaps you could illustrate the issue as it appears to you - in your own words. RE: SB2274-Sustainable Living - kalakoa - 03-17-2014 quote: It's very telling that the above-mentioned subdivisions tend towards high-density "residential-style", many of which have existing CC&Rs that would already prohibit these "new" activities. Repeat after me: agricultural subdivisions are not "residential". That said ... almost all of the "new" uses defined by the Bill are already allowed on ag-zoned land, and those that aren't can already be permitted through SUP. RE: SB2274-Sustainable Living - peteadams - 03-17-2014 There seems so much to criticize, or scratch your head over, in this bill. Much of it seems to be circumventing any or all building standards and allowing for smaller subdivisions in agricultural zoning. Hard to know where to start. I was wondering what in the world they mean by "sustainable" since that term is largely used to imply reducing dependence on fossil fuel. So I looked at the Definitions section, found seven items and added some comments: "Sustainable living" means a live-in environment composed of structures and systems that inherently produce utilities and life-support systems that conserve resources and may include: (1) The provision of on-site energy needs via renewable resources; Like geothermal? Or do they mean solar panels from China? Or maybe burning more strawberry guava? (2) The provision of water needs while minimizing the withdrawals from ground water and surface water systems in accordance with county and state water law and the rules and policies of the county and state engineers; We are so short of water here in Puna, we need new laws for sure. And if there’s limited rainfall and you can’t use groundwater, you do what? (3) The provision of sewage treatment needs with minimal discharge; Composting toilets are already approved by the county so this law is adding…what? Pit trenches? Not much discharge from them. (4) The reuse of materials discarded by modern society; The new Austerity policy: living on discards, what every (5) The development of organic foods; Limited to those with the money or leisure time to buy or cultivate it, of course. (6) The development of renewable fuel; and Rather repetitious. Like geothermal? Or solar panels from China? Or maybe burning more strawberry guava? (7) The development and testing of shared living situations. Communes are so 70’s. Now we have CCR’s. Anyway, what government entity is saying you can't share living situations? What is the bill adding? Support for condos in ag zoning? RE: SB2274-Sustainable Living - Russell - 03-17-2014 kjlpahoa, It might be helpful for you to understand how these types of bills are written. The underlined words are to be added, and the striked ( crossed out) words are to be deleted. For example, 'geothermal' was already one of the uses of ag land, and I would never have put such a thing in there! Few of the items you list are changes made by my bill. Rainyjim, thank you for hitting the nail on the head! That is, we are hearing from the usual 3 or 4 "anti-ruderman people who want to attack ruderman and don't actually care about the bill one way or the other." pahoated, I realize I can never do anything correct in your worldview, but when you say "because his buddy that gets a big payoff is on Maui" I really have no idea WTF you're talking about. If you want to know why only Big Island and Maui are included, perhaps you should ask before throwing your mud around. If anyone has a legitimate question about the bill I will try to answer them. Russell RE: SB2274-Sustainable Living - kalakoa - 03-17-2014 quote: If the bill leverages the existing "Special Use" process, there is effectively no end-run around County authority, which suggests that the existing SUP process will keep these uses from "suddenly moving in next door" (if they are allowed to happen at all). County's posture seems to be "we encourage people to follow the process, but we're not really going to approve anything". How does this promote sustainability? Opinion: upon reading the bill, my first thought was "Hmm -- this could be used to create a sustainability model as an art installation for the tourists to visit, probably in the side yard of an art gallery in Volcano." It's really not much help otherwise. |